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Collins Angel

Will VA DIC payments count against Social Security earnings limit if I retire before FRA?

I'm planning to retire next year at 63 (I know, not my FRA which is 67) and start collecting Social Security. I also receive monthly DIC (Dependency and Indemnity Compensation) payments from the VA after losing my spouse in service-related circumstances. The DIC is about $1,750 monthly and is non-taxable. My question is: will these VA DIC payments count toward the earnings limit for Social Security? I know I can only earn about $22,320 in 2025 before they start reducing my SS benefits, but I'm not sure if non-earned income like DIC counts against this limit. This makes a huge difference in my retirement planning since I might need to work part-time depending on the answer. Anyone dealt with this specific situation before?

Marcelle Drum

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Good news - DIC payments from the VA do NOT count toward your Social Security earnings limit! The earnings limit only applies to wages or self-employment income. Other types of income like pensions, investment income, insurance payments, and government benefits (including VA benefits) don't count against your earnings limit. So you can receive your full DIC payment and your Social Security retirement benefits without any reduction due to the DIC specifically.

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Collins Angel

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Oh thank goodness! That's such a relief to hear. So I only need to worry about my actual employment income counting against that $22,320 limit? That makes my planning so much easier.

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Tate Jensen

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Are you SURE about this??? I thought ALL income counted against SS!!!!! My cousin got his benefits cut when he started getting some kind of VA payment and now I'm scared the same will happen to me when I apply next year!! The SSA website is so confusing and nobody at the office will talk to me!!!!

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Marcelle Drum

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Yes, I'm positive. Only earned income (wages or self-employment) counts toward the earnings limit. Your cousin's situation might be different - perhaps he received VA disability and was also receiving SSDI (Social Security Disability)? Those have different rules about concurrent benefits. But for retirement benefits, VA DIC absolutely does not count toward earnings limits.

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Adaline Wong

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my brother gets both ss and va benefits and he said only work income counts for the limit. the va stuff doesn't matter for ss limits. but he did say something about checking with va because sometimes getting ss can affect some va benefits but not the other way around usually

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Collins Angel

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Thanks for sharing about your brother's experience. That's reassuring! I'll double-check with the VA just to make sure there aren't any effects going the other direction.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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While we're on this topic, I wanted to share something I discovered when I was struggling to get through to SSA about my retirement application. I was on hold for HOURS trying to ask about my pension offset (I'm a retired teacher). I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to a Social Security agent in about 20 minutes instead of waiting for hours. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Saved me so much frustration! If you need to call SSA to confirm anything about your DIC and earnings limit, might be worth checking out.

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Collins Angel

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That's really helpful! I've tried calling a few times and kept getting disconnected after waiting forever. I'll check out that service - I definitely want to confirm everything directly with SSA before making any big retirement decisions.

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Just to add a bit more technical detail: The earnings test (what you're referring to as the limit) specifically only counts "earned income" as defined in the Social Security Act. This means wages from employment or net earnings from self-employment. The 2025 limit for someone under FRA for the entire year is indeed around $22,320 (it's adjusted annually for inflation). For every $2 you earn above that limit, $1 is withheld from benefits. However, in the year you reach FRA, the limit is higher (about $59,520 for 2025) and the reduction is only $1 for every $3 over the limit. Once you reach FRA, there is NO limit on your earnings. As others mentioned, VA benefits including DIC do not count as earned income for this purpose. You can receive your full DIC and your Social Security retirement without any interaction between the two programs.

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Peyton Clarke

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The SSA IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS with these rules!!! My husband lost $400/month in benefits because he went over the earnings limit by just $900 last year. They took MONTHS to adjust everything and we nearly lost our apartment waiting for them to fix it! And then they had the nerve to tell us we should have "planned better"! The whole system is designed to confuse people!

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Vince Eh

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this is why i'm waiting until FRA to start collecting. too many rules to worry about. my neighbor started early and regrets it so much because she can't work the hours she wants at her job.

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Collins Angel

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That's definitely the safest approach. I've run the numbers though and with my health issues, taking benefits at 63 makes sense for me even with the reduction. I just wanted to make sure the DIC wouldn't complicate things further.

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Marcelle Drum

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One thing that might interest you: if your benefits are reduced because you exceed the earnings limit before FRA, you'll actually get that money back in the form of a recalculation and higher monthly benefit once you reach your FRA. Many people don't realize this! The SSA will adjust your benefit amount to account for those months when benefits were withheld. So you're not permanently losing those benefits, just deferring them.

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Collins Angel

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That's fascinating! I had no idea they recalculated at FRA. So if I did work and lost some benefits due to going over the earnings limit, I'd eventually get that value back through higher payments after 67? That makes the decision less stressful.

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Peyton Clarke

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I went through something similar when i retird. My wife passed in active duty so I get DIC too. Let me tell you, the DIC does NOT count as earned income for SS. I've been collecting both since 2023 and never had an issue. But watch out if you work part time!! They will reduce your SS check if you make too much. I learned the hard way when I took a seasonal job at Home Depot and suddenly my SS check was smaller! Had nothing to do with the DIC though.

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Collins Angel

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I'm so sorry about your wife, but thank you for sharing your experience. It's especially helpful to hear from someone in almost the exact same situation. And thanks for the warning about part-time work - I'll be very careful to stay under that earnings limit if I do pick up some hours somewhere.

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Aiden Chen

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I want to add one more important point that might help with your planning. Since you're retiring at 63 and will be receiving reduced Social Security benefits (about 25% less than your full retirement age benefit), you might want to consider how long you expect to live and your overall financial picture. The break-even point for taking benefits early versus waiting until FRA is typically around age 78-80. But in your case, having the guaranteed DIC income of $1,750/month (which is a significant amount!) might make taking SS early more attractive since you have that steady income stream to supplement the reduced SS benefit. Just something to factor into your decision-making process. Also, don't forget that your SS benefits will be adjusted for cost of living increases each year, which can help offset some of the reduction over time.

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Emma Johnson

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As someone who works in benefits counseling, I want to emphasize how important it is to get official confirmation from SSA about your specific situation, even though everyone here is giving you correct general information. While DIC payments definitely don't count toward the earnings limit, there can sometimes be nuances based on your complete benefit picture. I'd also suggest documenting everything when you do speak with SSA - get names, dates, and reference numbers for any conversations about your benefits. This protects you if there are any discrepancies later. Your situation with DIC plus early retirement SS is actually fairly common among military survivors, so the SSA representatives should be familiar with it. One last tip: when you do start receiving SS, keep detailed records of any part-time work income throughout the year so you can easily track whether you're approaching that earnings limit.

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Sofia Perez

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This is excellent advice about documentation! I learned this lesson the hard way with other government benefits - always get reference numbers and names. I'm definitely planning to call SSA using that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier to get everything confirmed in writing. It's reassuring to know that DIC plus early SS is a common situation they deal with. I'll make sure to ask them to send me something in writing confirming that my DIC won't count toward the earnings limit, just so I have it for my records. Thanks for the tip about tracking part-time income too - I tend to be disorganized with paperwork but this is too important to mess up!

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Sergio Neal

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I wanted to add something that might be helpful for your planning - make sure you understand how your reduced Social Security benefits will be calculated at 63. Since your full retirement age is 67, taking benefits at 63 means you'll receive about 75% of your full benefit amount (roughly a 25% reduction). This reduction is permanent, but as others mentioned, any money withheld due to exceeding the earnings limit will be recredited to you after you reach FRA. Also, I'd suggest running some scenarios with the SSA's online calculators or speaking with a financial planner who understands military survivor benefits. The combination of guaranteed DIC income plus reduced early SS benefits might actually work out better for your situation than waiting, especially considering your family health history concerns. Just make sure you factor in healthcare costs too - Medicare doesn't start until 65, so you'll need coverage for those two years between retiring at 63 and Medicare eligibility.

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Zoe Kyriakidou

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This is such valuable information about the 75% calculation and healthcare considerations! I hadn't fully thought through the Medicare gap between 63 and 65 - that's definitely something I need to factor into my budget planning. Do you know if there are any good resources for estimating healthcare costs during that transition period? I'm wondering if I should look into COBRA from my current employer or marketplace plans. The point about running scenarios with SSA calculators is great too - I tend to get overwhelmed by all the numbers but having that concrete information will help me make the best decision. Thanks for thinking through all these practical details that I might have missed!

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Joshua Wood

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For healthcare coverage between 63-65, definitely look into both COBRA and ACA marketplace plans to compare costs and coverage. COBRA might be more expensive but could offer better coverage if you have ongoing health issues. The marketplace plans vary a lot by state and income level. Since you'll have the DIC income plus reduced SS, you'll want to see how that affects any premium subsidies you might qualify for. Some states also have special programs for military survivors that might help with healthcare costs during that gap period. I'd also suggest contacting your state's SHIP (State Health Insurance Assistance Program) - they offer free counseling specifically for Medicare transitions and can help you understand all your options. Healthcare.gov has some good calculators too, though they can be a bit confusing to navigate at first.

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Joshua Hellan

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For the healthcare gap between 63-65, I'd definitely recommend looking into both COBRA and marketplace plans to compare costs. COBRA might be expensive but keeps you on your current plan, while marketplace plans could be cheaper especially if your income qualifies you for subsidies. Since you'll have both DIC and reduced SS income, you might qualify for premium tax credits on the marketplace. Also check if your state expanded Medicaid - some people with lower incomes can qualify. The healthcare.gov website has a cost estimator tool that's pretty helpful. Don't forget to factor in that your DIC payments aren't taxable income, which might help with marketplace subsidy calculations since they're based on modified adjusted gross income. It's definitely worth spending some time researching this piece since healthcare costs can really impact your retirement budget!

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Micah Franklin

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For healthcare during that 63-65 gap, I'd definitely recommend checking out both COBRA and marketplace options. COBRA might be more expensive but could give you continuity with your current doctors. For marketplace plans, you might qualify for subsidies depending on your total income (though your DIC won't count toward income limits for ACA subsidies, which is another benefit!). Healthcare.gov has some decent calculators, and since you're planning ahead, you have time to really compare options. Also, don't forget that some areas have specific programs for military survivors - your local VA office might have resources or know about additional healthcare assistance programs you could qualify for during that transition period. The key is starting your research now so you're not scrambling when the time comes!

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