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Social Security survivor benefits at 94% when claiming at 63 - How is this possible?

I'm really confused about how survivor benefits work. My sister-in-law (63) lost her husband (72) two months ago. He had been collecting Social Security since age 70, getting about $3,250/month. She started taking her own benefits early at 62, getting around $1,100/month. Here's what's confusing me - she just told me she applied for survivor benefits and is now getting 94% of his benefit amount! That's nearly $3,050/month! I thought if you claim survivor benefits before your full retirement age (which for us is 67), you get a permanent reduction. At 63 and 2 months, shouldn't she be getting only around 81-82% of his benefit? Am I missing something about how these calculations work? Is she mistaken about what she's receiving? Or is there some special rule that would allow her to get 94% of his benefit even though she's claiming survivor benefits early? Anyone have experience with this?

You're right to be confused because survivor benefits can be complicated. Your sister-in-law is getting 94% because the reduction percentage differs between retirement and survivor benefits. For survivor benefits, the reduction is gentler - about 0.396% per month if claiming between 60-FRA. At 63 and 2 months, she's 46 months before FRA, so: 46 × 0.396% = 18.2% reduction. That means she gets about 81.8% of his benefit, not 94%. She's either misunderstanding what she's getting or there might be other factors at play. Has she checked her award letter from SSA or her MySocialSecurity account? That would show the actual calculation.

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Thanks for that explanation! I'll ask her if she's actually looked at her award letter or MySocialSecurity account. Maybe she's just estimating or confused about the percentage. The 81.8% makes more sense based on what I've read online. I wonder if she's including her own benefit in that calculation somehow?

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maybe shes getting a combo of her own benefit + partial survivors? my mom got something like that when dad died

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Good point! When you're eligible for both your own retirement and survivor benefits, SSA doesn't actually combine them - they pay the higher of the two. But the way they explain it can be confusing. What might be happening is her own reduced benefit ($1,100) plus the difference up to the reduced survivor amount, which might look like she's getting 94% when calculated a certain way.

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When my husband passed in 2023, I had already been collecting my own SS for years (started at 62). I was 64 when he died. The SSA rep explained that since I was already collecting my own benefits, they would just add the difference between my benefit and what I qualified for as a survivor. In my case, that meant my monthly check went from $1,435 to $2,789. Is it possible your sister-in-law is calculating the percentage based on her new total versus her old amount? That might explain why she thinks she's getting 94% instead of the standard reduced amount. The SSA paperwork can be REALLY confusing to read!

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That makes so much sense! Her own $1,100 + a reduced survivor benefit would definitely be less than 94% of his full $3,250. But if she's comparing her new total check to her old check, it would seem like she got a HUGE increase. I bet that's what's happening. Thank you for sharing your experience - that really helps clear things up.

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Another possibility: the 94% figure might be accurate if her husband had claimed his benefits early. The survivor benefit calculation is based on several factors: 1. If the deceased claimed early, survivors can receive up to the higher of: - What the deceased was receiving, or - 82.5% of the deceased's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) 2. If survivor claims early, there's a reduction based on their age Possibly her husband claimed before his FRA, so his actual benefit was less than his PIA. She might be getting 81.8% of his PIA, which could work out to around 94% of the amount he was actually receiving. The SSA's exact calculations can be complex, and representatives sometimes simplify explanations.

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wow thats confusing! No wonder people get frustrated with SS rules

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That's a really important detail I didn't know! But in this case, her husband waited until 70 to claim, so he was getting more than his PIA with delayed credits. This survivor benefit stuff is so complicated - thanks for adding another piece to the puzzle.

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I went through this EXACT situation last year and spent hours on the phone with SSA trying to understand my benefits after my husband died. The agents kept giving me different answers! After being disconnected 5 times and spending literally 3+ hours on hold, I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an SSA agent in under 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent I finally spoke with explained my survivor benefit calculation in detail and sent me a follow-up letter. Turns out I was eligible for more than I thought. Your sister-in-law should definitely call SSA and get a detailed explanation of her specific calculation.

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thanks for sharing this! I've been trying to reach SSA about my disability review for weeks!

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Thanks for the tip! I'll pass this info along to her. She should definitely get the exact calculation from SSA directly rather than just guessing at the percentage. It would be good for her to understand exactly what she's receiving and why.

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Is it possible she's including her own benefit PLUS some back pay? When my mom got survivor benefits, she got a lump sum death benefit plus some retroactive benefits going back to when my dad died (it took her 3 months to apply). Those extra amounts in the first payment made it seem like she was getting more than she actually was going forward.

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That's a great point! I hadn't thought about back pay. Maybe the first payment included some retroactive benefits that made the total seem higher. I'll definitely ask her about this too.

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the 94% thing is definitely wrong somehow. my wife gets survivors and it was REALLY reduced cause she took it at 60. SSA doesn't give out 94% to people claiming early!!! they ALWAYS reduce it!!! somebody is confused somewhere

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You're right that early claiming always results in a reduction. At age 60, the reduction is about 28.5%, so your wife would receive about 71.5% of the full survivor benefit. At 63 and 2 months (like in the original post), the reduction would be around 18.2%, resulting in 81.8% of the full amount.

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has she checked her MySocialSecurity account online? my statement shows the exact breakdown of benefits

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I'm not sure if she's checked online. That's a good suggestion - I'll mention that to her. The online account would definitely show the exact breakdown and clear up any confusion about what she's actually receiving.

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After reading through everyone's comments, I think we've identified several possibilities for the 94% figure: 1. She's calculating based on her new total versus her old benefit 2. Possible inclusion of retroactive payments in her calculation 3. Confusion about what percentage of what amount she's receiving 4. She hasn't actually checked her award letter or MySocialSecurity account The mathematical reality is that at 63 and 2 months, she would receive approximately 81.8% of her husband's PIA if she switched to survivor benefits. The best course of action is for her to check her MySocialSecurity account or call SSA directly to understand her specific benefit calculation. Do let us know what you find out!

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Thank you for this great summary! I'm going to talk to her this weekend and suggest she look at her actual SSA documentation. I'll update once I find out what's really going on with her benefits. This has been really helpful in understanding the possible explanations!

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now with my mom (she's 65). Her husband passed away last month and we're trying to figure out her survivor benefits too. One thing I learned from the SSA office is that they sometimes quote percentages differently than we expect. When they told my mom she'd get "90% of his benefit," what they actually meant was 90% of what he was receiving at the time of death, but since he had delayed retirement credits from waiting until 70, that 90% was still more than his full retirement age amount would have been. Also, make sure your sister-in-law understands that if she switches to survivor benefits, she gives up her own retirement benefit. It's not additive - it's whichever is higher. The SSA rep should have explained this to her, but sometimes they assume people already know. Has she received her first survivor benefit payment yet, or is she just going off what the SSA rep told her during the application? Sometimes there's a difference between the initial estimate and the actual payment amount.

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That's a really good point about how SSA quotes percentages! I hadn't thought about the delayed retirement credits factor. Since her husband waited until 70, his monthly benefit would have been higher than his full retirement age amount due to those credits. So even a reduced survivor benefit percentage could still result in a surprisingly high dollar amount. I think she may have received her first payment already, but I'm not sure if she's looked at the actual breakdown. Your point about giving up her own benefit is important too - I want to make sure she understands that completely. Thanks for sharing your experience with your mom's situation!

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I work for a nonprofit that helps seniors navigate Social Security benefits, and this type of confusion comes up frequently. The 94% figure your sister-in-law mentioned is almost certainly not her actual reduction percentage for claiming survivor benefits early. Here's what likely happened: Since her husband waited until age 70 to claim, his benefit included delayed retirement credits that boosted it to about 132% of his Primary Insurance Amount (PIA). When she claims survivor benefits at 63 and 2 months, she gets roughly 82% of his PIA due to the early claiming reduction. But 82% of his PIA might equal around 94% of what he was actually receiving monthly (since his actual benefit was inflated by delayed credits). So she's probably getting about $2,665 per month (82% of his PIA), which happens to be roughly 94% of his $3,250 monthly payment. The percentage she quoted refers to his actual payment, not the standard survivor benefit calculation. She should definitely review her MySocialSecurity account or award letter to see the exact calculation. Also confirm she understands that switching to survivor benefits means giving up her $1,100 retirement benefit - it's not both benefits combined.

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