Can my younger spouse claim his own Social Security at 64 then switch to spousal benefits when I'm 70?
I'm confused about spousal benefit strategies since my husband and I have a significant age gap. I'm 62 and the higher earner in our marriage (my PIA would be around $3,200 if I wait until 70). My husband is 54 and would have a much smaller benefit (roughly $1,400 at his FRA). I'm planning to delay claiming until 70, but we're wondering what's optimal for him. Could he start his own reduced benefits at 64 or 65, then later switch to spousal benefits when I turn 70? Or would taking his own benefit early permanently reduce his spousal amount too? I've heard conflicting things about how spousal benefits work with the age difference. Any insight would be appreciated!
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Marcelle Drum
My husband and I were in a similar situation. If your husband files for his own SS before his FRA, any spousal benefit he gets later WILL be reduced permanently. The SSA doesnt let u take ur own early and then get full spousal later - they call it deemed filing. He'll get his own benefit plus the difference to = half of yours (but reduced for early filing). Hope that makes sense!!
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Collins Angel
•Thank you! That helps clarify things. So if he takes his own at 64, the spousal boost would be permanently reduced even if he switches after I file at 70? That's really disappointing - I thought there might be a way to maximize our household benefits given our age gap.
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Tate Jensen
There's some confusion in the responses you're getting. Here's how it actually works: If your husband claims his own benefit early (before his FRA), he will receive a permanently reduced benefit. When you file at 70, he becomes eligible for spousal benefits, but the total amount he can receive will be limited to the greater of: 1) his own reduced benefit, or 2) a reduced spousal benefit (because he filed early). The reduction is based on how many months before his FRA he filed. At 64, that's typically a 20% reduction of his spousal amount. The SSA will pay his own benefit first, then add any additional amount if the reduced spousal benefit is higher. The key point: Once he files early for ANY benefit, ALL benefits become subject to reduction. This is due to the deemed filing rules implemented in 2015.
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Adaline Wong
•But I thought u can just switch later and not have the early filing penalty?? My cousin is doing that I think?? She filed early and her husband hasn't filed yet
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Tate Jensen
•Your cousin is likely dealing with a different situation. The rules changed significantly with the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. Anyone born after January 1, 1954 is subject to deemed filing, which means filing for any benefit is deemed as filing for all benefits you're eligible for. The only exception is for survivor benefits, which follow different rules than spousal benefits. There is no longer a strategy to take your own benefit early and then switch to an unreduced spousal benefit later.
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Gabriel Ruiz
Just went through this with my wife! Theres no way around it - if he files early, ALL his benefits get reduced permanently. My advice? Have him wait till his FRA if possible. Then he can get his full 50% of your benefit. Thats what we did.
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Collins Angel
•Thanks for sharing your experience. We were hoping there might be some strategy that would work with our age gap, but it sounds like waiting until his FRA might be the best approach if we can manage it financially.
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Misterclamation Skyblue
I'd like to add some important details to this discussion. Given your specific situation (higher earner, 8 year age gap), here's what you need to know: 1. When your husband files for his own benefits early, he will face an early filing reduction (about 5/9 of 1% for each month before FRA, up to 36 months, then 5/12 of 1% for additional months). 2. When you file at 70, his spousal benefit will be calculated as the difference between his PIA and 50% of your PIA (not your age 70 amount), but this differential amount will be reduced based on how early he filed for his own benefits. 3. There is no longer a way to "switch" from one benefit to another without reduction for those born after 1/1/1954. If maximizing lifetime household benefits is your goal, your husband would likely benefit from waiting until his own FRA to file. This would ensure he gets his full spousal amount (50% of your PIA) when you file at 70. I recommend using the Open Social Security calculator (free online) to run the numbers for your specific situation.
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Collins Angel
•Thank you for such a detailed explanation! I didn't realize the spousal benefit is based on my PIA, not my increased benefit at 70. I'll definitely check out that calculator. Just to clarify - if he waits until his FRA to file, will he get his own benefit plus enough extra to equal 50% of my PIA? Or just the higher of the two?
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Misterclamation Skyblue
•At his FRA, he would receive the higher of either his own full benefit OR 50% of your PIA (not both added together). Since you mentioned your PIA is about $3,200, 50% would be $1,600. If his own benefit at FRA is $1,400, then he would receive $1,600 (effectively his $1,400 plus a $200 spousal boost). And you're right - spousal benefits are always based on the PIA (the amount at full retirement age), not on the increased amount you'll get by delaying to 70. Your delay to 70 increases your own benefit by 8% per year past FRA, but doesn't increase his spousal benefit.
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Adaline Wong
Call SSA directly and ask THEM!!! I spent 4 hours trying to get thru and got disconnected twice. SO FRUSTRATING!!! But I finally got someone who explained everything. The online stuff is confusing and ppl here don't always know what there talking about (no offense).
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Peyton Clarke
•I had the same issue trying to get through to SSA about my spousal benefits question. After getting disconnected 3 times and waiting on hold for hours, I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real SSA agent in about 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Totally worth it for complicated questions like this where you need official answers directly from SSA. The agent I spoke with walked me through all the calculations for my situation.
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Collins Angel
•Thanks for the suggestion. I've been hesitant to call because I keep hearing horror stories about the wait times. I might try that service if I still have questions after doing some more research. I think I'm starting to understand the basics now thanks to everyone's help!
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Vince Eh
my brother tried to do what your talking about and it didnt work. the ssa people told him once you take early thats it, everything gets reduced. its a trap!!!
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Marcelle Drum
•Yep it's true! The rules changed in 2015 and caught a lot of people by surprise. Before that there were some creative filing strategies but now they're all gone except for very specific situations.
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Tate Jensen
One additional consideration for your planning: While your husband's spousal benefit would be reduced if he files early, his survivor benefit (if you were to pass away) would NOT be affected by his decision to take his own benefit early. As a survivor, he could receive up to 100% of whatever benefit amount you were receiving at death (including your delayed retirement credits to age 70). This is an important distinction because it might influence your decision-making. If maximizing his potential survivor benefit is important, your plan to delay until 70 is excellent because it maximizes that potential survivor benefit, regardless of when he takes his own retirement benefit.
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Collins Angel
•That's a really important point I hadn't considered. So my decision to delay to 70 protects him in case I pass away first. That definitely makes me feel better about my decision to wait. Thank you for pointing that out!
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Gabriel Ruiz
One more thing to think about - how long can you guys go without him filing? If money's tight and you NEED the income at 64, sometmes you just gotta take what you can get. No point suffering for years just to get a bit more later. Gotta balance the math with real life needs.
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Collins Angel
•That's very true. We're fortunate that I have a decent pension that covers our basic expenses, but we're hoping to do some traveling while we're still healthy enough to enjoy it. We might need to reassess our budget and see if we can manage with him waiting until his FRA. It's all about trade-offs!
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