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I HATE the windfall elimination!!!! Its so unfair to teachers!!! We work our whole lives and then get penalized for choosing a public service career?? Make it make sense!!!

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The rationale behind WEP is that Social Security benefits are designed to replace a higher percentage of income for lower-wage workers. Since teachers with non-covered pensions appear to Social Security as "low-wage workers" (because their teaching earnings don't show up in SS records), WEP was created to adjust for this. I agree it feels unfair, but that's the current policy logic. There are ongoing efforts to reform it.

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Just to add to my earlier comment: When you suspend benefits, you continue earning delayed retirement credits until age 70, which will permanently increase your benefit by about 8% per year. So suspending from FRA (67) to 70 could increase your benefit by around 24% for the rest of your life. Also, regarding WEP - if you have 30+ years of "substantial earnings" in Social Security-covered employment, WEP doesn't apply at all. If you have 21-29 years, the WEP reduction is lessened. Might be worth checking your earnings record to see where you stand.

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I just checked my SS statement online and I only have about 15 years of substantial earnings under Social Security. Most of my career has been teaching. So I guess the full WEP will apply to me regardless. Still, getting that 24% increase by waiting until 70 seems worthwhile.

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Has anyone here actually had success getting through the WEP reduction? My dad just retired from teaching and they cut his SS by almost half and were super nasty about it when he asked questions!!! He worked construction for 15 years before teaching and now they're acting like those years don't count!!!

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It's THEFT, plain and simple! I've written to my congressman 3 times about this and they just send form letters back. The system is rigged against public servants!

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To answer your original question directly: This is NOT double dipping. The Supreme Court has clearly established that survivor benefits and your own retirement benefits are separate entitlements. GPO may reduce the amount, but you are fully entitled to apply for and receive survivor benefits even while receiving your own retirement benefit. One crucial point I should add - you'll want to specifically request a "survivor benefit calculation with GPO consideration" when you contact SSA. Many representatives don't deal with GPO cases regularly and might give incorrect information if you don't use the specific terminology. If your calculated survivor benefit after GPO ends up higher than your current WEP-reduced benefit, they will pay you the difference.

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Thank you for the specific language to use! This will be extremely helpful when I contact SSA. I really appreciate everyone's insights and advice. I feel much more prepared to navigate this complicated situation now.

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wait i just thought of something - doesnt this affect medicare premiums too? like if u show too much income don't they charge u more for part b or something?

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Yes, that's called IRMAA (Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount). If your modified adjusted gross income from two years prior exceeds certain thresholds, you pay higher Part B and Part D premiums. So income reported in 2024 would affect your 2026 Medicare premiums if you're enrolled by then. It's another factor to consider in your calculation.

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Oh wow, I hadn't considered the Medicare angle. I need to check those IRMAA thresholds too. This is getting complicated!

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just wondering why worry about this at all? social security is going bankrupt anyway lol

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That's a common misconception. Social Security is not going bankrupt. According to the 2023 Trustees Report, even if Congress does absolutely nothing (which is unlikely), the trust fund would be depleted in the 2030s, but ongoing payroll taxes would still fund approximately 80% of promised benefits. And Congress has always acted to shore up the program before significant cuts would take effect, as they've done several times over the program's 89-year history.

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just wondering - does ur mom's pension come from a job where she DIDNT pay into social security at all? or did she pay into both? my mom paid into both and they still did the GPO thing to her which seemed so unfair!!!

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She paid into both! She worked at a school district that had its own pension system, but she also had several side jobs over the years where she paid into Social Security. Then she worked part-time at a private company after retiring from the school district. So she definitely contributed to both systems, which is why the GPO seemed so unfair to us too!

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my cousin had this happen. tell ur mom to bring marriage certificate and stepdads death certificate just in case.

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good point about the documents. they always want proof even when its in their system already. my dad had to show same documents 3 different times for same claim!!

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wait i thought SS only counted 30 years not 35??

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Social Security definitely uses 35 years, not 30, for the benefit calculation. They take your highest 35 years of earnings (after indexing them for inflation), average them, and use that to determine your primary insurance amount (PIA). If you have fewer than 35 years of earnings, they'll use zeros for the missing years, which lowers your average.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful information! Based on your responses, I'm going to download my earnings history and check my lowest-earning years in the top 35. Even though I've had 30+ years at max contribution, I definitely had some lower-earning years in my 20s that might get replaced. Seems like it's worth analyzing before I make my decision about continuing to work.

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Smart move! Just remember that when they do the calculation, they adjust all your past earnings for inflation ("indexing"), so those early years get a boost in the calculations. My SSA agent explained that a year where I earned $25,000 in the 1980s might actually count as $70,000+ in today's dollars after indexing. That's why some of my recent work didn't help as much as I expected - my indexed early years were actually pretty competitive with my current salary!

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