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Update: I went with my mother-in-law to the funeral home today and got 10 copies of the death certificate. We've scheduled an appointment with SSA for next week. They told us she should bring her ID, both their Social Security cards, marriage certificate, death certificate, and a recent bank statement. I'm going to go with her to make sure everything gets handled correctly. Thank you all for your advice - it's been incredibly helpful during this difficult time.

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Smart to go with her! When I went with my mom, the SSA person almost forgot to mention the lump sum death benefit. It's only $255 but every bit helps. Sounds like you're on top of things!

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my friend said when her mom died the dad got a letter automatic like 2 weeks later and didnt have to do nothing. is that different for husbands vs wives or something?

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No, gender doesn't matter for survivor benefits, but the process can vary depending on individual circumstances. If SSA already knows about the death (usually reported by the funeral home), they sometimes automatically process certain changes. However, survivor benefits typically require an application, especially when switching from your own benefit to a survivor benefit. Relying on automatic processing is risky - always better to be proactive and contact SSA directly.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful feedback. Based on the calculations shared, we've decided it's not worth amending the returns since the break-even point would be around 25+ years. I appreciate all the insights!

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smart move! save that $$ for something fun instead lol

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One important thing to consider: there's a 3-year, 3-month, and 15-day time limit for correcting Social Security earnings records. For earnings from 2015-2016, you're already beyond this window. However, SSA can make exceptions for "good cause" which includes situations where income was properly reported to IRS but not to SSA. You'd need to file Form SSA-7008 (Request for Correction of Earnings Record) along with proof of income and an explanation. Also, to be very technical, the benefit formula takes your highest 35 years of indexed earnings. The indexing factor adjusts earlier years' earnings upward significantly. So two recent years at $87k each might not actually replace years that, although lower in nominal terms, might be higher after indexing. If you want an exact calculation, you can request a detailed earnings analysis through an in-person appointment at your local SSA office.

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Great point about the time limit! I forgot about that restriction. Also excellent explanation about the indexing - many people don't realize that $50k earned in 1990 might actually count MORE than $80k earned in 2015 after indexing.

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Wow, I didn't know about the time limit. That definitely makes our decision easier - probably not worth fighting for an exception when the financial benefit is questionable anyway. Thank you for this detailed explanation!

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I remember reading somewhere that if you take a lump sum instead of monthly pension payments, the SSA has to calculate what your monthly payment would have been and then apply GPO to that amount. Might be worth asking your pension administrator if there's any way to structure the lump sum that minimizes this impact. Also, make sure to get everything documented really well before you contact SSA.

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That's very helpful - I didn't realize they would calculate a theoretical monthly amount from the lump sum. I'll definitely talk to my pension administrator about structuring options before finalizing anything. Thank you!

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wait why are u taking survivors benefits if ur working? doesn't that mean ur husband passed? sorry if thats too personal just confused

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Yes, my spouse passed away three years ago. I've been working at my government job since before that happened, but now I'm finally retiring and trying to figure out how best to coordinate my pension with the survivor benefits I'm entitled to from my late spouse's Social Security record.

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oh that makes sense sorry for your loss. good luck with everything!

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One additional point regarding your situation: while those zero years won't be replaced with your ex-spouse's earnings, there is a "caregiver credit" proposal that's been discussed in Congress for several years. It would provide earnings credits for people who leave the workforce to care for children or elderly family members. It hasn't passed yet, but if you're interested in advocacy on this issue, organizations like the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare are working on it. In the meantime, maximize your earnings for the remaining years of your career to replace as many zero years as possible in your benefit calculation.

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Thanks for mentioning the caregiver credit proposal - I hadn't heard about that. I'll definitely look into organizations advocating for this change. It's too late for me, but maybe future generations of parents won't be penalized for raising their children.

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Just to add to what others have said - when calculating your benefit, Social Security uses your highest 35 years of indexed earnings. The 'indexed' part is important because it adjusts your past earnings to account for wage inflation over time. So while those 10 years do count as zeros, if you're working now, even part-time jobs could potentially replace some of those zeros in your calculation. Also, when you apply for benefits, SSA will automatically calculate whether a spousal benefit based on your current husband's record would give you a higher monthly payment than your own record. You'll receive whichever is higher - they do this calculation automatically.

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my sister had the same problem and she just let them withhold the payments to recoup the overage then everything went back to normal. she didn't want the hassle of withdrawing and reapplying. less paperwork.

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That's definitely the simplest approach! Did your sister end up reaching FRA during this process? I'm wondering if she saw her benefit amount adjust later as someone else mentioned might happen.

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To clarify something important about the Adjustment to the Reduction Factor that was mentioned: This only applies if your husband started receiving benefits BEFORE his FRA. Since he started at 66 (which is before his FRA of 66+8 months for someone born in 1958), any months where benefits are completely withheld due to earnings will be credited back to him after he reaches FRA. SSA will automatically recalculate and slightly increase his monthly benefit to account for those months where he received no payment. This is why running the exact calculations is so important - withdrawing and reapplying later means repaying benefits now, but getting a higher amount later. Letting SSA withhold benefits means keeping what he's already received, getting a slightly increased amount later, but still having taken benefits early with some permanent reduction.

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This makes the decision even more complex than I initially thought. It seems like we need to calculate: (1) how much we'd need to repay now if withdrawing, (2) what his new benefit would be at FRA if we withdraw vs. the adjusted amount after ARF if we don't withdraw, and (3) how many years it would take to break even between these options. I think we definitely need to speak with an SSA representative to get these exact figures before deciding.

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