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To clarify for everyone in this thread: 1. The earnings test is based on age, not benefit type 2. Once you reach your Full Retirement Age (FRA), the earnings test no longer applies regardless of benefit type 3. The monthly earnings test only applies in the calendar year you first become entitled to benefits 4. Switching from one benefit type to another doesn't trigger a new application of the monthly test Since the original poster is reaching FRA in August 2025, they need to be concerned about the earnings test for January-July only. After that, they can earn unlimited amounts without affecting either benefit type.

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This SHOULD be correct but my experience proves SSA doesn't always FOLLOW their own rules!! The system sometimes applies annual limits even when it shouldn't. OP better document EVERYTHING and keep records of all conversations!!!

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just wanted to say thanks for asking this question, im in almost same situation but switching in october. this thread is really helpful

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You're welcome! It's been so confusing trying to get straight answers. I think I'm finally understanding it now - once I hit FRA in August, the earnings test disappears completely regardless of which benefit I'm receiving. Good luck with your October switch!

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Thank you all for the incredibly helpful responses! I've made a list of questions based on your suggestions. One more thing - has anyone dealt with the lump sum retroactive payment? If I take the 6 months retroactive benefits, does that permanently reduce my monthly amount as if I had filed 6 months earlier? Or do I still get my full FRA amount going forward?

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Yes, this is important to understand! If you take the 6 months of retroactive benefits, your monthly benefit amount WILL be permanently calculated as if you filed 6 months before your FRA. This means your monthly payment would be approximately 3.3% lower than your full FRA benefit amount for the rest of your life. Whether this makes financial sense depends on your life expectancy and immediate need for funds. If you need a lump sum now, it might be worth it. If you're in good health and expect to live a long time, it might be better to forego the retroactive benefits and take the higher monthly amount.

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when i had my call they rushed me through everything and i forgot half my questions! write everything down ahead of time and dont let them rush you. if you have a spouse definitely mention that because they might not ask. good luck!!

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Thanks for the advice! I'll definitely write everything down and make sure to mention my wife's situation.

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One more thing to consider - since this involves a cancer case, you should mention to the Tampa office that this falls under Compassionate Allowances guidelines. This might help prioritize getting these documents processed quickly once they receive them. Also, document EVERYTHING about your attempts to submit these records. Note the date, time, and name of every person you speak with. If your husband's back payments get delayed because of their document mishandling, this documentation will be important for appealing any issues with the retroactive payment date.

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Thank you for this additional advice. I haven't specifically mentioned Compassionate Allowances in our previous communications, so I'll definitely bring that up. And I've started keeping a detailed log of all our interactions since this issue began. I appreciate your help!

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just wondering did u get a receipt when u dropped off the papers?? they supposed to give u one i think. that could help prove u actually gave them the stuff if they try to deny it later

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The representative gave us something, but it was just a generic timestamp receipt that doesn't specifically list what documents we provided. I wish I had asked for an itemized receipt now. Lesson learned for next time.

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My situation was similar but I had a completely different outcome. My husband died, I got survivors benefits, kept working, had some reductions. I'm thinking the rules must have changed recently? Because when I switched to my own benefit two years ago, they did some kind of adjustment. Maybe talk to a different SSA person?

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What likely happened in your case is that you were receiving reduced retirement benefits along with survivor benefits (this happens in some situations), rather than survivor benefits alone. When retirement benefits are reduced due to the earnings test, there is indeed a recalculation at FRA to account for those months. Survivor benefits don't get this same treatment when you switch to retirement. It's a common area of confusion even among some SSA representatives.

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Thank you everyone for the helpful information! I'm going to schedule my appointment to file for retirement benefits soon, and I'll make sure to check my earnings record carefully beforehand. It's disappointing about not getting those deductions back, but at least now I understand how it works and won't be surprised. I appreciate all your insights!

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! This clarifies a lot for me. It sounds like my wife claiming her own benefit early doesn't directly affect potential survivor benefits, which is what I was worried about. And it seems like my plan to delay my own claiming is a good idea for maximizing her potential survivor benefit if needed. I'm thinking our strategy should be: 1. Have my wife claim at 63 as planned 2. I'll delay at least to my FRA (67) or possibly even to 70 for maximum survivor protection 3. If I pass away before claiming, she can either take reduced survivor benefits immediately OR stay on her own reduced benefit until her FRA and then switch to full survivor benefits Does this sound like an optimal approach given our situation? And should we consult with someone at SSA directly to confirm all this?

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Your strategy sounds solid. The only thing I'd add is that talking directly with SSA probably won't give you the strategic advice you're looking for - they'll explain the rules but typically don't provide planning strategies. A financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies might be more helpful. As for verification, the SSA.gov website has good information on survivor benefits if you want to confirm. Look under "If You Are The Survivor" section.

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Good point about SSA not providing strategic advice - I hadn't thought of that. I'll look for a financial advisor who specializes in this area. And I'll check out that section on SSA.gov too. Thanks again for all the help everyone!

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