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Regarding your most recent question: SSA should have all your earnings history in their system. When you apply, make sure to mention you have a government pension (or will have one) AND that you believe you have 30+ years of substantial covered earnings under Social Security. They should calculate everything correctly, but it doesn't hurt to specifically bring it up. Based on everything you've shared: 1. With 32 years of substantial earnings, you might escape WEP reductions entirely 2. Given your break-even calculation and life expectancy estimate of 82, claiming at 67 is reasonable 3. The zeros on your record from recent years won't negatively impact your benefit (they just don't help increase it) I recommend applying soon if you've done your calculations carefully. Each month you wait past FRA increases your benefit by about 0.67%, but if your break-even math shows claiming now makes sense, then follow your analysis.

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Thank you so much for this thorough advice! I think I'm going to go ahead and file next month when I turn 67. I've been so confused about this decision for months, but I feel much more confident now. I'll definitely mention both the government pension and my 32 years of substantial earnings when I apply.

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Don't forget about taxes! If your pension + SS puts you in a higher tax bracket, part of your SS benefits might be taxable. Up to 85% of SS can be taxed depending on your combined income. Did you factor that into your break-even analysis?

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this is such a good point!! i totally forgot about taxes in my calculations and got a nasty surprise at tax time last year. now i have to make quarterly estimated payments which is a huge pain

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Just to clarify some misinformation I'm seeing in this thread - the distinction between a withdrawal and cancellation/non-claim is important: 1. Withdrawal (Form SSA-521): Used when you've already received benefits and want to pay them back and "reset" as if you never filed. Limited to once per lifetime. 2. Cancellation/Non-claim: Applies when you've filed but benefits haven't started being paid. Not subject to the once-per-lifetime limit. Since you haven't received payments from your new application, you should be eligible for cancellation. The issue is finding someone at SSA who understands this distinction. Request to speak with a Technical Expert specifically about a non-claim, not a withdrawal.

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This distinction seems really important but I've never heard it explained this clearly! Do you work for SSA or something? I wish they would make these rules more transparent to the public.

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Thank you everyone for the helpful responses! I called SSA again today and specifically asked for a Technical Expert as suggested. I explained the difference between withdrawal and non-claim (which the first rep didn't seem to understand). After being transferred, the TE confirmed that since I hadn't received any payments yet, I could indeed file for a non-claim! I'll be sending a written statement to make it official. Such a relief. I plan to maximize my LTD until October and then reassess my options. This forum has been incredibly helpful - I was getting nowhere with the standard SSA phone line. Thanks again to everyone who shared their experiences and knowledge!

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Great news! Make sure to keep copies of everything you submit and get some kind of confirmation in writing that your application was cancelled as a non-claim. This will protect you if there's any confusion later.

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This happens LITERALLY every year! The SSA is the most dysfunctional agency in government. Last year they sent my 1099 to my old address even though I had updated my information TWICE with them. The year before they had the wrong SSN printed on my form!!! I've learned to just file an extension automatically every year because something always goes wrong with these forms. And yes, I'm still waiting for mine this year too.

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wow thats crazy about wrong ssn! did u have issues with irs after that?

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Update: I took the advice about requesting a replacement through the online portal, and it worked! Both our 1099s were available to download within 48 hours of making the request. For anyone else still waiting, definitely try the replacement request option instead of just checking for the original. Thanks everyone for your help!

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thanks for update! ill try that 2day

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Thanks everyone for the helpful replies! I'm going to gather my DD-214, recent W-2s, and tax returns from the last few years. I'll also prepare a list of my employers for the past 15 years and make sure my bank account info is handy for direct deposit. I'm a bit worried about the phone system issues some of you mentioned. I might try the online application instead, but I have a few complicated questions about my pension that I was hoping to discuss with a representative. I'll definitely get confirmation numbers and names for everyone I speak with. And I'll decide on the tax withholding beforehand - probably going with 10% federal withholding to be safe.

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If you have pension questions, specifically ask for a claims specialist rather than a general representative. They have more technical knowledge about how pensions interact with Social Security benefits, especially if you're potentially subject to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) or Government Pension Offset (GPO).

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Just thought of something else - if you're planning to continue working, make sure you understand how your earnings might increase your future benefit amount. Even after you start receiving benefits, SSA will automatically recalculate your benefit amount annually if your recent earnings are higher than one of the 35 highest years used in your original calculation. And since you mentioned being a veteran, be sure to check with the VA about any additional benefits you might qualify for. Many veterans don't realize there are pension benefits available through the VA that are separate from Social Security.

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I hadn't thought about the recalculation aspect! That's encouraging since I'll be replacing some lower-earning years from the 1980s with my current higher salary. And good point about the VA benefits - I'll look into that separately.

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Social Security and WEP recalculation with self-employment income - how to verify SS calculated my benefits correctly?

I reached full retirement age (FRA) this year and just started collecting Social Security while still working as self-employed. My situation is complicated by the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) due to my teaching career. I'm confused about how/when my benefits will be recalculated to account for my ongoing self-employment income. My work history is messy: about 15 years in education with only half those years paying into Social Security. The non-SS years were early in my career when my salary was much lower (seriously, I make about 12 times more now than I did back then). The last 14+ years I've been self-employed and consistently paying into SS. My concern is that last year's self-employment income should qualify as another "substantial earnings" year, which should reduce my WEP penalty, but this income wouldn't have been available when I initially applied. When I called my local office, they said recalculations typically happen by November. Here's my real worry - I never received any detailed calculations showing how they arrived at my benefit amount. I provided all my teacher retirement records and clearly indicated which schools did/didn't contribute to SS. I know I'll eventually "wear off" the WEP reduction as I continue working, but how do I verify they're calculating everything correctly given my complicated history? Is there any way to request or view their detailed calculation process?

Update: I should have mentioned that for self-employment income specifically, there's a lag time because the SSA doesn't receive your earnings information until after you file your tax return. If you filed extensions, this could delay the AERO process. For complicated cases like yours with both WEP and ongoing self-employment, it's best to speak directly with a Technical Expert (TE) at SSA, not just a regular claims representative. When you call, specifically request to speak with a TE who specializes in WEP calculations.

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That's a great tip! I did file an extension this year, so that probably explains part of the delay. I'll specifically ask for a Technical Expert when I call.

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IMPORTANT QUESTION: Are you also subject to GPO (Government Pension Offset)? That's different from WEP and applies to spouse/survivor benefits. The combination of WEP and GPO can be really complex. Just making sure you're aware of both if they apply to your situation.

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Thankfully no - I'm not eligible for any spousal benefits so GPO doesn't apply in my case. But you're right that the combination would make things even more complicated!

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