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I'm completely confused by an email I just got from Social Security. I filed for my retirement benefits to start in February 2025 (reached my FRA in October 2024), but I'm still working full-time for the county government and don't plan to retire anytime soon. Now SSA is demanding I provide a 'pension award letter' by next week or they'll apply WEP to my benefits! I clearly marked 'still employed' in at least 3 different sections of my application. I don't HAVE a pension letter because I'm not retired and won't be eligible for my pension until I actually stop working in a few years. Has anyone else dealt with this? Is this normal procedure or did someone mess up my application? I'm planning to call but their phone lines are always jammed.
I just realized that I want my Social Security retirement benefits to start January 1st, but I'm worried it might be too late to apply. Does anyone know what the deadline is for getting a January 1st payment start date? I'll be 66 and 8 months in December so I'm past my FRA. Also complicating things: I want to get the spousal top-up benefit from my ex-husband's record (we were married 12 years), but I don't have certified copies of our marriage and divorce certificates yet. The county office said it might take 3-4 weeks to get them! Can I still submit my application without these documents? Would they start my own retirement benefits in January while they wait for my spousal claim documents? Or would everything be delayed until I can provide the marriage/divorce proof? Really hoping to get that January start date with the 8.7% COLA coming!
wait are u sure u can even get ex spouse benefits?? u have to be unmarried now and the marriage had to be 10 years i think
One last piece of advice - when you submit your application, take screenshots of the confirmation page and note the confirmation number. Also print the PDF copy of your application if the system offers it. If there are any issues later, having documentation of exactly what you submitted and when can save a lot of headaches. Also, set a calendar reminder to follow up if you don't hear anything within 2-3 weeks. SSA should send you an acknowledgment letter, but sometimes these get delayed. Being proactive about following up (especially regarding those marriage/divorce documents) will help ensure your January start date doesn't slip.
Just had the most frustrating experience with SSA phone support! After waiting 3 HOURS for a callback, I spoke with an agent who seemed completely clueless. I'm turning 65 next month and wanted to confirm if the online application submission date would be my official benefit start date. The agent actually told me she 'has no idea what the online application looks like'! When I asked for a supervisor, she ignored me completely. Then things got even more ridiculous - I asked about getting the spousal supplement (since my husband's benefit is higher than mine), and she kept insisting I couldn't get 'survivor benefits because your husband is still alive'! I tried explaining I was asking about spousal benefits (the top-up), not survivor benefits, but she just kept going in circles. Then after 30 minutes of nonsense, she tells me I can't even apply online and must visit an office. When I called my local office to schedule, they just sent me back to the same call center! Why couldn't she have helped schedule an appointment if an office visit was truly required? Has anyone successfully applied for spousal benefits recently? I'm at my wit's end!
Since there seems to be confusion about spousal benefits in this thread, let me clarify a few key points: 1. If you were born after January 1, 1954, when you file for either your retirement OR spousal benefit, you're automatically deemed to have filed for both. 2. The maximum spousal benefit is 50% of your spouse's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), but you only receive the higher of either your own benefit or the combination that gives you the most money. 3. If you file before your Full Retirement Age (FRA), both your own retirement and spousal benefits will be permanently reduced. 4. Your spouse must have already filed for their own benefits for you to receive spousal benefits (unless they're suspended due to earnings). The online application system does handle spousal benefits correctly if you indicate you're married and want to file on your spouse's record.
To the person asking about getting $1000 plus $700 - you don't add them together. You get the HIGHER of either your own benefit OR the spousal amount. So in your example, you'd get $1000 (which is higher than your $700). The system essentially tops you up to the higher amount. And @OP - for your original question, yes, the application date online becomes your official filing date. Print or screenshot your confirmation page as proof. And if you need to visit an office, use the online appointment scheduler at ssa.gov/locator - don't rely on phone agents to set it up.
I've been going around in circles trying to understand spousal benefits reduction rules and I'm getting conflicting information everywhere. Here's my specific situation: My husband and I are both the same age (currently 62). He has a much higher earnings record while I only worked part-time jobs and don't qualify for my own retirement benefit (not enough quarters). Our full retirement age is 67. He's considering filing early at 64 for his retirement benefits because of some health concerns. I was planning to wait until my FRA at 67 to file for spousal benefits to avoid any reductions. Here's where I'm confused - will my spousal benefit be reduced simply because HE filed early, even though I'm waiting until my FRA? Some financial websites say yes, others say no. I've even called SSA twice and got different answers! Does anyone here know the definitive rule on this? Would really appreciate some clarity from someone who's been through this or knows for certain.
To clarify the technical aspects once and for all: The RIB-LIM rule (found in section RS 00615.020 of the SSA's Program Operations Manual System) states that when the worker files for reduced retirement benefits, the maximum amount payable to the spouse is limited to the higher of: 1. The difference between the family maximum benefit (FMB) and the worker's reduced benefit, or 2. The spouse's benefit before the RIB-LIM is applied This means that in SOME cases, the worker filing early can indirectly reduce what the spouse receives, even if the spouse waits until FRA. It depends on the specific benefit amounts and family maximum calculation for your case. So both sides of this debate are partially correct, which is why it's so confusing!
That's an excellent technical explanation. I should have been more clear in my original response - in MOST common two-person scenarios, the RIB-LIM doesn't reduce the spousal benefit below 50% of PIA when they wait until FRA, but there are certainly exceptions based on the complex interaction with the Family Maximum Benefit. Each case truly does need individual analysis.
Thank you everyone for the informative responses! I think I understand now why there's so much confusion online about this topic - because the answer isn't simply yes or no, but depends on how various rules interact with our specific numbers. I'll definitely try to get an appointment with an SSA claims specialist who can look at our exact situation. If the phone lines continue to be impossible, I might try that Claimyr service someone mentioned. I'll update this thread once I get a definitive answer for our situation in case it helps others in the same boat. Really appreciate all the knowledge shared here!
My wife (52) was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease about 18 months ago. She's been pushing through at her accounting job, but the return-to-office policy is making things really difficult. The 45-minute commute each way is exhausting her, and her tremors get worse with stress. She's also starting to have some speech issues during client meetings, which is affecting her confidence. Her neurologist suggested she consider applying for SSDI, but we're worried about getting denied since she can still function in many ways. Has anyone successfully gotten approved for SSDI with early/mid-stage Parkinson's? How detailed was your medical documentation? Did you need a lawyer? Any advice would be so appreciated.
hey did ur wife try any of the new meds for parkinsons?? my uncle got on some new one starts with K i think and it helped him alot with the tremors. maybe that could help her keep working?
One important thing to understand is that SSA evaluates Parkinson's disease under Listing 11.06 (Parkinsonian syndrome). The key criteria they look for are: 1. Marked limitation in physical functioning AND cognition, OR 2. Marked limitation in physical functioning AND mood/behavior regulation, OR 3. Marked limitation in physical functioning AND completed tasks in a timely manner "Marked limitation" means the symptoms seriously limit the ability to function independently, appropriately, and effectively. Even if your wife doesn't meet these exact listing requirements, she might still qualify through a medical-vocational allowance based on her Residual Functional Capacity, age, education, and work experience. The evidence needs to be compelling about how her condition prevents substantial gainful activity. For someone in an accounting position, documenting how tremors affect computer use, how fatigue impacts concentration for detailed financial work, or how speech issues affect client interactions would be particularly relevant.
Thank you for breaking down the exact listing requirements - this is incredibly valuable information. Based on what you've described, I think we need to focus more on documenting how her physical symptoms (tremors) combine with the cognitive effects (she does have some memory/concentration issues) and how that specifically impacts her accounting work. This gives us a clear framework to discuss with her doctors.
Zainab Ahmed
WAIT are you sure your state isn't one of those weird ones with mandatory pension contributions even if ur still working??? my coworker in Ohio thought same thing but turns out money was going into account even before full retirement!! check ur paystub for pension deductions!!!
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ElectricDreamer
AuthorGood point! I do have mandatory contributions going to our state retirement system, but I can't access any of that money until I actually retire. I think that's what's causing the confusion with SSA - they see I'm in a pension system but don't realize I'm not drawing benefits yet.
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Miguel Diaz
For anyone hitting this thread with a similar issue - this is a perfect example of why it helps to file for Social Security benefits several months before you actually need them. These bureaucratic issues can take weeks or months to resolve, and you don't want to miss payments while waiting. The WEP/GPO provisions affect hundreds of thousands of public employees and the rules are exceptionally complex.
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ElectricDreamer
AuthorYou're right about filing early. I filed 4 months before my intended start date thinking that was plenty of time, but now I'm worried this will delay everything. I'll post an update once I get this resolved to help others in the same situation.
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