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Will my state pension trigger GPO against my wife's Social Security benefits after 30+ years of SS contributions?

I started working for my county government last month - a position that doesn't contribute to Social Security. According to my SSA.gov account, I've already accumulated 36 years of substantial earnings under Social Security before taking this job. If I stay with the county for 4 years, I'll be vested in their pension system (roughly $2,750/month at retirement). I'm also receiving a small pension ($950/month) from my previous employer in the private sector. From my research, I understand that with 30+ years of substantial earnings, my own Social Security retirement won't be reduced by WEP when I eventually collect both SS and my county pension. But I'm worried about how this might affect my wife through GPO (Government Pension Offset). My wife has worked about 22 years with Social Security coverage, all in private companies. She doesn't have enough credits for full retirement benefits on her own record and would likely need to claim spousal benefits on my record. Also, if I pass before her, she'd need survivor benefits. My big dilemma: Should I stay long enough to vest in the county pension, or should I leave before vesting to avoid potential GPO impacts on my wife's ability to claim on my record? I have the option to take a lump sum distribution of my contributions if I leave before vesting. Has anyone navigated this SS/GPO/WEP maze with a similar situation? Any insights appreciated!

One other thing worth noting: the determination of whether you're exempt from WEP due to 30+ years of substantial earnings is made at the time you become eligible for Social Security benefits. So even if you leave your county job before vesting, those years of non-covered employment will still count as "zeros" in the substantial earnings calculation. This doesn't sound like it will affect you since you already have 36 substantial years, but it's an important nuance for others who might be close to the 30-year threshold. Each year of non-covered employment essentially "uses up" one of your potential substantial earnings years.

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wait so ur saying even if he quits the county job before vesting he'd still have the same SS calculation? confused...

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To clarify what the previous commenter said: Whether you vest in the pension or not doesn't affect your WEP calculation. What matters is whether you have 30+ years of substantial earnings under Social Security. Since you already have 36 years of substantial earnings, you're fully protected from WEP regardless of whether you vest in your county pension or not. Your Social Security benefits will be calculated using the regular formula, not the reduced WEP formula. Vesting only determines whether you get the county pension - it doesn't change how your Social Security is calculated. So you might as well stay and get that pension!

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Thanks for clarifying! Based on all the feedback here, I'm definitely going to stay and vest in the county pension. It seems like there's no downside in my particular situation, and I'll be able to maximize our retirement income without hurting my wife's future benefits. I appreciate everyone's insights!

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I was in almost exactly your situation last year! I took retirement at 62, then got MUCH worse health-wise at 63. My doctor actually suggested I apply for SSDI since I had to stop working completely. The phone interview was mostly gathering info and was less stressful than I expected. The thing nobody told me was how LONG the whole process would take. It was almost 5 months from my phone interview until I got the decision letter. Then it took another month for the payment adjustment to actually happen. So be prepared to wait... a lot. Oh, and having all your medical records and doctor contact info ready really helps speed things up. And don't get discouraged if they deny you the first time - something like 70% of applications get denied initially. I had to appeal but eventually got approved.

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That waiting time sounds rough. Did they at least backpay you once you were approved? And did you have to keep calling to check on the status or did they keep you updated?

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Honestly I wouldn't even bother applying for SSDI if you're already getting retirement. My brother-in-law tried this exact thing and got denied TWICE even though he literally can't walk without a walker now. The whole system is RIGGED against us. They make it impossible to get approved unless you hire a lawyer who takes a huge chunk of your backpay. It's all a scam!

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EXACTLY!!! They just want us to give up and go away! I've been fighting for disability for 2 years and they keep saying my condition isn't severe enough even though I can barely get out of bed some days!!!

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While the process can certainly be frustrating, it's not accurate to say it's impossible without a lawyer. About 35% of initial SSDI applications are approved. For those who appeal through the hearing level, approval rates rise to about 50%. The Total and Permanent Disability discharge approval the OP already has is actually a positive factor, as it shows another federal program has recognized their disability, though SSA will make their own determination.

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I'd like to add some important details that others haven't mentioned: 1. While your future survivor benefit won't be affected by when you take your own benefit, there are still potential advantages to delaying your own benefit if you can afford to. 2. If your husband lives a long time, your own benefit (if you delay to 70) could grow to be more valuable over time with COLA adjustments. 3. If you're still working, taking benefits before FRA could subject you to the earnings test, which temporarily reduces benefits. 4. Tax implications: Having both your own benefit and eventually a survivor benefit could push you into a higher tax bracket. The optimal strategy depends on your complete financial picture, health situations, and other income sources. You might want to consult with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies.

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These are excellent points I hadn't considered. I'm still working part-time, so the earnings test could be relevant. And you're right about the long-term COLA adjustments - I hadn't factored that in. Maybe I should talk to a financial advisor before making my final decision. Thank you!

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wait i'm confused...if she takes her SS now at 65 isn't that still reduced since her FRA is probably 66 and something? my head is spinning trying to keep all these rules straight lol

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Yes, you're correct. If she takes her own retirement benefit at 65 and her FRA is 66+something (likely 66 and 6 months if she's 65 now), her benefit would be permanently reduced by approximately 8-9%. However, that reduction only applies to her own retirement benefit. When her husband passes away, her survivor benefit would still be 100% of what he was receiving (assuming she claims survivor benefits at or after her FRA). It's confusing because there are essentially two separate benefit calculations happening at different times.

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my mom got dads SS when he passed but she said she had to wait til she was 60 to claim it, so theres definintely some age rules involved to

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You're right about the age rules. Surviving spouses can claim as early as age 60 (or 50 if disabled), but the benefit amount is reduced if claimed before full retirement age. At age 60, it's about 71.5% of the full survivor benefit. Only by waiting until their own full retirement age (66-67 depending on birth year) would they receive 100% of the deceased spouse's benefit.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful information! Based on what I'm understanding: 1. Yes, I would get 100% of my wife's benefit if she passes away after starting her benefits (assuming I'm at my FRA) 2. It might be worth having her delay until 70 to maximize those potential survivor benefits 3. I'll need to file paperwork with SSA and provide documentation when the time comes 4. Different rules apply if she passes before starting benefits This has been really educational and gives us some things to consider in our retirement planning. I appreciate all the responses!

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You mentioned your FRA benefit would be $2400 and your husband's is $3200. Honestly with those numbers, you probably want to focus on maximizing your own benefit rather than spousal benefits anyway. If you took spousal at your FRA, you'd get $1600 (half of his). If you took it early at 62, you'd get even less - around $1120. That's a lot less than your own benefit even with early filing reductions. Have you considered when you actually need the income? If you can wait until 70, your $2400 FRA benefit becomes around $3000/month. That's the permanent value of delaying.

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That's a really good point about the actual numbers. We don't absolutely need the income right away - I'm still working part-time and my husband plans to continue consulting through his 60s. So maybe waiting is better for both of us. I just got excited when they suggested I could get some benefits early while still getting the delayed retirement credits!

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One more thing to consider: survivor benefits. If either of you passes away, the surviving spouse gets to keep the higher of the two benefit amounts. If you expect your husband to have a longer life expectancy, then maximizing your benefit might not be as important. But if you think you might outlive him, having him maximize his benefit by waiting until 70 could provide you with a larger survivor benefit later. Running the numbers with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies might be worthwhile given your benefit amounts.

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That's excellent advice about survivor benefits. His family tends to have shorter lifespans than mine, so that's definitely something we should consider. I'll look into finding a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security planning. Thanks everyone for saving me from making a potentially costly mistake based on incorrect information!

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