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Should we marry at 66/63 for Social Security spousal benefits with teacher pension (WEP/GPO impact)?

I'm turning 66 this June (my FRA) and still working, while my partner (63) already retired with a teacher's pension. We've been in a committed relationship for 10 years with no particular rush to marry, but now I'm wondering if there are Social Security advantages we're missing. My estimated SS benefit will be about $3,100 monthly when I eventually claim (probably taking it year by year before fully retiring), while my partner would only qualify for around $1,050 on his own record due to having fewer earning years in Social Security-covered employment. He currently receives his teacher pension of $2,700/month but hasn't claimed SS yet. If we got married, would he be eligible for spousal benefits that would "top up" his own smaller Social Security amount? And would marriage make him eligible for survivor benefits if I die first? I know teacher pensions complicate things (something about GPO/WEP?), but I can't figure out if marriage would provide any meaningful financial benefit in our situation. Any insights from those who've navigated this?

i was a teacher for 31 years and let me tell u, that GPO is a KILLER!! married my hubby for 22 years and cant get A PENNY of his social security now that hes gone. all because of my teacher pension. if I knew then what I know now, I would have chosen a different career!!! be very careful with your planning

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im so sorry for your loss! that seems so unfair after you worked so hard teaching our kids :

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To answer your follow-up question: Yes, the GPO only affects benefits he might receive as a spouse or survivor, not his own earned Social Security. He will always be eligible for his own $1,050 regardless of your marital status. If you marry and you predecease him, he would receive whichever is higher between: 1. His own benefit ($1,050) 2. The GPO-reduced survivor benefit ($3,100 - $1,800 = $1,300) So in this case, marriage would provide an additional $250/month in income if you pass away first. Whether that's worth it depends on your overall financial situation, estate planning goals, health considerations, and how long you expect the survivor situation might last. Also worth noting - if you continue working past your FRA, your benefit amount will continue increasing, which could increase the potential survivor benefit as well.

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Thank you for this clear explanation. It sounds like from a pure Social Security perspective, marriage would provide a modest financial benefit, but only in the survivor scenario. We'll need to weigh this against other financial and personal considerations. I do plan to work at least another 2-3 years, so my benefit will likely increase somewhat. Really appreciate everyone's insights on this complicated topic!

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Can I collect spousal SS benefits at 65 with state pension then switch to my own at 70?

Hi everyone, I need some clarity on my retirement options! I've been working for the state government for 23 years and plan to retire at 65 with my state pension. My husband already started collecting his Social Security at 62 (about $1,850/month). I've also worked in the private sector earlier in my career and paid into Social Security, but my state job doesn't contribute to SS. My question is: When I retire at 65, can I file for spousal benefits (half of my husband's) and then switch to my own Social Security benefit at my FRA (67) or maybe wait until 70 for the maximum amount? I'm the higher earner based on my SS record. Also, would my state pension trigger any offsets or reductions? I know regular income from working can reduce benefits, but is a pension considered "earned income" for the SS earnings limit? So confused by all these WEP/GPO rules!

i think yur overthinking this. just take ur own ss at 70 and forget about the spouse thing. my uncle got a teachers pension and his own ss and hes fine.

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This is not accurate advice. Whether the GPO and WEP apply depends on when the government service occurred and whether Social Security taxes were paid during that employment. Your uncle's situation might be different - perhaps he worked 30+ years under Social Security or his teaching position was in a state that participates in Social Security. The poster should definitely understand how GPO/WEP will affect her specific situation.

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Aisha Ali

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I had no idea about that restricted application strategy being eliminated - I guess I was reading outdated information. I'll definitely need to look more carefully at the GPO calculator. My state pension will be around $4,200/month, so it sounds like that would completely wipe out any spousal benefits. I guess my best strategy might be to just wait and collect my own Social Security at 70, even with the WEP reduction. I'll try to get specific calculations from SSA using that Claimyr service someone mentioned. This is all so much more complicated than I expected!

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That's a good plan. With a $4,200 monthly pension, the GPO would reduce any spousal benefits by $2,800 (2/3 of $4,200). Since half of your husband's benefit would be well below that amount, you likely wouldn't receive any spousal benefits. Regarding WEP, the maximum reduction for 2025 is $615.50 per month, but with 14 years of substantial earnings, your reduction would be less than that. Waiting until 70 to maximize your own benefit is often the best strategy when dealing with WEP.

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Should I take spousal benefits at 66 while working part-time and let my own Social Security grow until 70?

I'm trying to figure out the best strategy for my Social Security benefits and could use some advice! I just turned 66 last month, while my FRA is actually 66 and 4 months. My husband retired at his FRA and is now 71 - his benefit is around $3100/month. I had a meeting with someone at our local SSA office yesterday who suggested I could take spousal benefits now (about $1400/month) and let my own benefit grow until I'm 70. I work part-time at a local boutique making approximately $25,000 annually. Since I'm at FRA, I know the earnings test doesn't apply, but I'm confused about whether this strategy is actually allowed. I thought the "file and suspend" or "restricted application" options were eliminated? Can I really take spousal now and switch to my own later? Or am I misunderstanding something? Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

To clarify the confusion in this thread: @profile5 - I suspect there's some misunderstanding about your situation. It's possible that: 1. You were born before January 1, 1954 (making you eligible for the restricted application) 2. You may have filed for your own benefit, then your spouse filed later, making you eligible for the higher spousal amount 3. You might be receiving a spousal benefit because it's higher than your own benefit The rule is very clear in SSA's Program Operations Manual System (POMS): individuals born after January 1, 1954 cannot file restricted applications for just spousal benefits while their own retirement benefit grows. @OP - If you're experiencing difficulty getting consistent information, I recommend: 1. Get an appointment with an SSA claims specialist (not just a service representative) 2. Ask specifically about "deemed filing rules for people born after January 1, 1954" 3. Request a written explanation of your filing options

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Thank you so much for the detailed explanations. I'll definitely request an appointment with a claims specialist and ask about the deemed filing rules specifically. It sounds like waiting until 70 might be my best option if my own benefit would be larger than spousal at that point. I appreciate everyone's help!

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Something no one has mentioned yet - even though you're approaching FRA, working part-time earning $25K won't affect your benefits because you'll be past your FRA when you file. Also, don't forget to consider how these benefits would be taxed when making your decision. Up to 85% of your Social Security can be taxable depending on your combined income. Since you're working part-time, you might want to calculate how the additional SS income would impact your tax situation.

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That's an excellent point about taxes I hadn't fully considered. I'll definitely look into the tax implications before making my final decision.

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Social Security $255 death benefit for widow - do I qualify automatically at 65?

My husband passed away last Thursday after a long illness. Among all the paperwork from the funeral home, there's a 'Survivor's Checklist' mentioning a $255 death benefit from Social Security for surviving spouses. Is this something everyone automatically gets? I'm 65 and my husband was 75 and had been collecting his Social Security retirement for years. Do I just go to the SSA office to apply for this, or is there some income requirement? With everything going on right now, I'm completely overwhelmed with paperwork and phone calls, so just trying to understand if this is worth pursuing or if there are complicated hoops to jump through. Thanks in advance for any clarity.

When my mom died my dad got that $255 payment automatically I think. But that was like 15 years ago so maybe the rules changed? It showed up in his bank account but he was already getting her SS check as a survivor benefit so maybe that's why it was automatic. The whole SS system is so confusing!!

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The $255 death benefit is never paid automatically - someone must apply for it. What likely happened was that your dad applied for survivor benefits, and they processed the death benefit at the same time. It might have seemed automatic because it was all handled in one appointment or phone call. You're right that the system can be very confusing though!

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Yuki Sato

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Thank you everyone for the helpful information. I've made an appointment at my local SSA office for next week. I'll bring both our marriage certificate and his death certificate. I'm also going to ask about the survivor benefit options since it sounds like I might be leaving money on the table if I don't understand all the choices. I really appreciate the support during this difficult time.

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Social Security application confusion - WEP repeal affecting my pending claim?

I finally decided to retire and applied for my Social Security benefits last week with a targeted start date of May 2025. I worked as a teacher in Texas for 18 years (where I didn't pay into SS) and then had 22 years in the private sector. With the recent WEP repeal, I'm totally confused about how this affects my pending application. The online system still asked all the WEP questions about non-covered employment, and I answered honestly about my teaching years. Now I'm worried my claim will be delayed or processed incorrectly because the SSA systems haven't caught up with the repeal. Has anyone who was previously subject to WEP already applied for benefits since the repeal passed? Did you have any issues with your application? I'm concerned my benefit amount will be calculated wrong and I'll have to fight to get it corrected later.

not related to WEP but my SS application took 4 months to process so just be patient. they're really backed up right now

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Wow, 4 months is a long time. I was hoping it would be processed more quickly since I applied online. I guess I'll need to be patient.

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One more thing to add - make sure to create and monitor your my Social Security account online. You'll be able to see when your claim is processed and check that the benefit amount seems correct based on your earnings history. The WEP formula used to reduce benefits by up to 50% of your non-covered pension amount (with a maximum reduction of $534 in 2025), so you can roughly calculate what your benefit should be without that reduction. If the numbers don't add up when your claim is processed, you'll have documentation to support your request for correction.

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Great suggestion. I have a my Social Security account and have been checking it regularly. The estimated benefit amount shown there doesn't reflect any WEP reduction, so I'll use that as a reference point.

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