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Social Security survivor benefits calculation shows $1,250 less than previous quote - does pension count as taxable income?

Got totally different survivor benefit amounts from two SS agents and I'm confused! Called SSA yesterday (waited nearly 5 hours - ridiculous!) to ask about survivor benefits since I'm turning 66 next year (my FRA). My husband passed away in 2023, and I currently receive his pension. The rep said I'd get approximately $2,375/month if I wait until my FRA to claim, which is about $1,250 LESS than what another rep told me back in January! Can they really be this far off from each other? More concerning is what the rep said about my husband's pension affecting my survivor benefits. When I asked if the pension counts as income for tax purposes when calculating my SS benefits, he said yes. But I thought pensions were handled differently with survivor benefits? I always believed only my own earned income would affect how my SS is taxed, not my husband's pension that I receive. Can someone please explain if the pension will count toward the income threshold that determines if my SS benefits are taxable? I'm worried I'll end up with much less than expected when I finally claim.

I've been through this exact situation! The first thing you should do is request a written PEBES statement showing the detailed calculation. Having everything in writing really helped me straighten out the discrepancy in my case. When I talked with Claimyr's customer service, they mentioned that a lot of their users are survivors dealing with similar benefit calculation issues. The SSA seems particularly prone to inconsistency with survivor benefits calculations for some reason.

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Whatever you do, DON'T trust what they tell you over the phone!!! Get EVERYTHING in writing!!! When my husband passed, I got THREE different benefit amounts from THREE different reps, and the actual amount I received was LOWER than all three estimates! I was counting on that money and it created a real financial hardship. The SSA makes "mistakes" that conveniently always seem to save THEM money, not us! ๐Ÿ˜ก

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I'm so sorry that happened to you. It's really concerning how inconsistent they are. I'll definitely get everything in writing - thank you for the warning!

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Can my husband get spousal benefits with WEP-reduced Social Security and I'm taking early retirement?

I need some guidance on spousal benefits with WEP involved. My situation is complicated! My husband is 71 (his FRA was 66) and started his Social Security at 62. His benefit got hit hard by the Windfall Elimination Provision because he receives a pension from working overseas. His FRA benefit would've been about $1,240 before the WEP reduction knocked it down. I'm approaching retirement at 62.5 (my FRA is 67), and planning to stop working in about 6 months. My Social Security benefit at FRA would be around $4,025, substantially higher than his. I'm thinking about starting my benefits somewhere between 64-65, definitely before my FRA. We never looked into spousal benefits before because we assumed the WEP made it pointless, but now I'm wondering - with the significant difference in our benefit amounts, would my husband qualify for spousal benefits even with his WEP reduction? And would his age (already past his FRA) affect how much he could get? The online calculators confuse me when WEP is involved.

One more thing - DOCUMENT EVERYTHING!! Write down every conversation with SSA, get names of reps, take screenshots of your MySocialSecurity account info!!!! Trust me on this!!!!!

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Thank you all for the helpful advice! I'm going to put together all these calculations before I make my filing decision. It sounds like my husband should definitely apply for the spousal benefit once I file, regardless of when I decide to start taking benefits. I'll make sure to document everything and specifically mention the WEP-spousal benefit calculation when we apply. And I'll definitely look into that Claimyr service - sounds like it could save a lot of frustration with the phone calls. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this complicated situation!

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Social Security earnings limit confusion with survivor benefits - monthly vs. annual calculation

I'm a recent widow trying to figure out the Social Security earnings test since I'll be returning to work. I'm currently receiving mother's benefits (child-in-care) for myself and survivor benefits for my kids (ages 15 and 14) based on my late husband's record. My children will turn 16 and 17 in October, which I know means my mother's benefits will end. I've been getting conflicting information about how the earnings limit works in my situation. Is it $23,400 for the entire year even though I'll only be receiving benefits until October? Or is it calculated monthly at $1,950 until my benefits stop? Also, my new job will have variable income (commission-based sales) - some months might be way over the limit while others might be under. How do I report this to SSA? Do I need to call them every single month when my paycheck changes? I'm scared of creating an overpayment situation but I need to work to support my family once these benefits end in October.

I want to add some clarification about when and how to report earnings to SSA in your situation: 1. Initial report: When you start working, call and inform them of your employment start date and estimated earnings. 2. Monthly reporting is NOT required for most beneficiaries. However, given your variable income, you might want to report quarterly or whenever you have a significant change from your estimate. 3. Annual reporting: You'll receive a form (SSA-632) at the beginning of each year to report your previous year's earnings. 4. Once your mother's benefits terminate in October, your earnings will no longer matter for Social Security purposes until you decide to file for your own retirement benefits in the future. 5. Keep documentation of all your communications with SSA (dates, representative names, what was discussed). The earnings test can be confusing, but in your case, focusing on the monthly limit until October is the correct approach.

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That form number is WRONG! The annual earnings report form is SSA-7070, not SSA-632. The 632 is for overpayment waiver requests - I know because I had to fill one out when they messed up MY earnings calculations! This is exactly the problem with SSA - even people who sound like they know what they're talking about get details wrong and then WE have to deal with the consequences!

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When my husband passed a few years ago, I had a similar situation with the earnings test. My main advice is to OVER-report rather than under-report. I called SSA at the beginning of the year, mid-year when my income changed, and then again near year-end. It was annoying but I never had an overpayment issue. Just make sure you're tracking everything. Also, don't forget that your children's benefits continue until they graduate high school (if they're still in school at 18) - you'll need to complete some additional paperwork for that extension.

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Thank you for sharing your experience! That's a good point about school attendance - my older one will be 18 before graduating high school, so I'll need to look into that paperwork. And I'm definitely planning to over-report rather than risk dealing with overpayments later.

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Will I lose retroactive Social Security survivor benefits from Jan 2024 if I never formally applied after WEP/GPO discussion?

I lost my wife back in 2020 and at that time I was told I wouldn't qualify for survivor benefits because my firefighter pension was too high due to WEP/GPO. During my SSA office visit, the agent looked at her computer and we both kind of laughed about me getting 'zero' because of my pension. The thing is, I don't think I ever completed an actual application for survivor benefits or received a formal denial letter. Same thing happened when I went in for Medicare enrollment - just a quick conversation about not qualifying.I have an appointment coming up next week to discuss my benefits, and I'm suddenly worried - if I was technically eligible for SOMETHING (even a small amount) after my wife passed, would I lose out on any retroactive benefits from January 2024 because I never formally applied? I'm not even sure if I'm entitled to anything at all with my $5,800 monthly pension, but now I'm wondering if I made a mistake by not filing paperwork. Anyone know if an informal discussion counts as an 'application' in SSA's eyes?

One more thing you should know: The fact that you didn't file earlier may actually work in your favor regarding retroactivity. Since you never received a formal denial, you could potentially argue that misinformation from an SSA employee prevented you from filing. This is called \

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This is incredibly helpful information I had no idea about. I'll definitely bring up the misinformation form and ask about establishing a protective filing date from my 2020 visit. I remember it was in March 2020, right before the pandemic shut everything down. I imagine that might have contributed to the rushed service. Thank you so much for this suggestion!

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Can I switch from ex-spouse's survivor benefits to my own SS retirement at 70 after starting at FRA?

I'm trying to maximize my Social Security and need some guidance. I'm planning to retire at my full retirement age of 67 next year. My ex-husband passed away last December, and we were married for 22 years before divorcing in 2011. I've been looking at the numbers, and it seems like his benefit amount would be about $2,150/month if I claim survivor benefits based on his record at 67. Meanwhile, if I delay my own retirement benefits until 70, they would increase to around $3,500/month. Would it be possible for me to claim the survivor benefits at 67 based on my ex-husband's record, and then switch to my own higher retirement benefits at 70? Or does Social Security force you to choose one path and stick with it? I've been getting conflicting information from friends and even when I called SSA (couldn't get through to an actual person). Thanks in advance for any help!

make sure u have all ur documents!!! birth certificate, marriage license, divorce papers, death certificate for ex, etc. i forgot my divorce decree and had to reschedule my whole appointment and wait another 6 weeks!!

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Oh that's a great reminder! I'll definitely make a checklist of all the documents I need to bring. Did they require original documents or were copies acceptable?

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they wanted originals of everything! and u might need proof u were married 10+ years for ex-spouse benefits. bring as much as u can

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One other important thing to know - when you're receiving survivor benefits from 67-70, you can still work without any earnings limit penalties. The earnings test doesn't apply after you reach your full retirement age. So if you want to work part-time during those years, your survivor benefits won't be reduced no matter how much you earn.

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That's really good to know! I was planning to do some consulting work in retirement, so it's nice to hear I won't be penalized for that income while on survivor benefits.

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