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I want to add some clarification about when and how to report earnings to SSA in your situation: 1. Initial report: When you start working, call and inform them of your employment start date and estimated earnings. 2. Monthly reporting is NOT required for most beneficiaries. However, given your variable income, you might want to report quarterly or whenever you have a significant change from your estimate. 3. Annual reporting: You'll receive a form (SSA-632) at the beginning of each year to report your previous year's earnings. 4. Once your mother's benefits terminate in October, your earnings will no longer matter for Social Security purposes until you decide to file for your own retirement benefits in the future. 5. Keep documentation of all your communications with SSA (dates, representative names, what was discussed). The earnings test can be confusing, but in your case, focusing on the monthly limit until October is the correct approach.
That form number is WRONG! The annual earnings report form is SSA-7070, not SSA-632. The 632 is for overpayment waiver requests - I know because I had to fill one out when they messed up MY earnings calculations! This is exactly the problem with SSA - even people who sound like they know what they're talking about get details wrong and then WE have to deal with the consequences!
When my husband passed a few years ago, I had a similar situation with the earnings test. My main advice is to OVER-report rather than under-report. I called SSA at the beginning of the year, mid-year when my income changed, and then again near year-end. It was annoying but I never had an overpayment issue. Just make sure you're tracking everything. Also, don't forget that your children's benefits continue until they graduate high school (if they're still in school at 18) - you'll need to complete some additional paperwork for that extension.
One more thing you should know: The fact that you didn't file earlier may actually work in your favor regarding retroactivity. Since you never received a formal denial, you could potentially argue that misinformation from an SSA employee prevented you from filing. This is called \
This is incredibly helpful information I had no idea about. I'll definitely bring up the misinformation form and ask about establishing a protective filing date from my 2020 visit. I remember it was in March 2020, right before the pandemic shut everything down. I imagine that might have contributed to the rushed service. Thank you so much for this suggestion!
Quick clarification on your question about your husband's early retirement affecting your survivor benefits: Since your husband claimed at 62 and passed at 65 (before his FRA), your maximum survivor benefit would be the higher of: 1. The benefit he was receiving when he died (reduced for his early claiming) 2. 82.5% of his Primary Insurance Amount (what he would've gotten at his FRA) However, this maximum amount will then be reduced by the GPO (2/3 of your government pension). And if you claim before your survivor FRA (66 and 10 months), it would be further reduced for early claiming. The claiming strategy gets quite complex with GPO involved. If your government pension is substantial, it might wipe out most or all of your survivor benefit regardless of when you claim.
This is starting to make sense now. So even though my husband claimed early, I might still be entitled to 82.5% of what he would have received at his FRA rather than his reduced benefit. But then the GPO reduction happens after that calculation. I think this explains why one rep told me I'd only get about 1/3 of his benefit after all the reductions. I need to find out exactly what my monthly pension will be to calculate the GPO impact accurately.
have u checked if there was a lump sum death benefit? its only $255 but its something. also did u get the check for the month he died? my FIL died on the 29th and they took back his last payment because they said he wasnt alive the whole month which seemed really unfair
Yes, I did receive the $255 death benefit already. And you're right about them taking back the last month's payment - they explained that Social Security benefits are paid in arrears (for the previous month), so if the person doesn't live through the entire month, they take it back. It doesn't seem fair but apparently that's the rule.
make sure u have all ur documents!!! birth certificate, marriage license, divorce papers, death certificate for ex, etc. i forgot my divorce decree and had to reschedule my whole appointment and wait another 6 weeks!!
Oh that's a great reminder! I'll definitely make a checklist of all the documents I need to bring. Did they require original documents or were copies acceptable?
they wanted originals of everything! and u might need proof u were married 10+ years for ex-spouse benefits. bring as much as u can
One other important thing to know - when you're receiving survivor benefits from 67-70, you can still work without any earnings limit penalties. The earnings test doesn't apply after you reach your full retirement age. So if you want to work part-time during those years, your survivor benefits won't be reduced no matter how much you earn.
That's really good to know! I was planning to do some consulting work in retirement, so it's nice to hear I won't be penalized for that income while on survivor benefits.
Yara Assad
I've been through this exact situation! The first thing you should do is request a written PEBES statement showing the detailed calculation. Having everything in writing really helped me straighten out the discrepancy in my case. When I talked with Claimyr's customer service, they mentioned that a lot of their users are survivors dealing with similar benefit calculation issues. The SSA seems particularly prone to inconsistency with survivor benefits calculations for some reason.
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TechNinja
Whatever you do, DON'T trust what they tell you over the phone!!! Get EVERYTHING in writing!!! When my husband passed, I got THREE different benefit amounts from THREE different reps, and the actual amount I received was LOWER than all three estimates! I was counting on that money and it created a real financial hardship. The SSA makes "mistakes" that conveniently always seem to save THEM money, not us! 😡
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Ava Williams
•I'm so sorry that happened to you. It's really concerning how inconsistent they are. I'll definitely get everything in writing - thank you for the warning!
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