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Social Security timing dilemma - December vs January application with high 2023 earnings impact?

My sister is turning 64 next month and just retired after 35 years with the same company. She received a substantial severance package plus her regular salary this year (probably around $96,000 total for 2023). She wants to start collecting Social Security but is confused about timing. If she applies in January for her December payment, will her 2023 income still affect her benefits? Or should she apply in December to get her November payment? She's concerned about how her high 2023 earnings might reduce her benefits if she starts collecting this year. She's also wondering about the tax implications for either option. Would waiting until January be better tax-wise given her high income this year? Any advice from folks who've navigated this timing issue would be really helpful!

Based on all the discussion, here's a summary for your sister: 1. Applying in January for January benefits avoids the 2023 earnings test completely 2. The severance package counts as earnings in the year received (2023) 3. If she applies for any 2023 months, she'll likely see most or all benefits withheld due to her high earnings 4. While withheld benefits are eventually factored back in after FRA, it creates unnecessary complications 5. She should consider the early claiming reduction (about 20% at age 64) in her overall planning She should definitely apply 1-3 months before she wants benefits to begin, so if she's targeting January, she should start the application soon.

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Thank you so much for this clear summary! This has been incredibly helpful. I'll share all this information with my sister today and encourage her to start her application for January benefits. Everyone here has been so knowledgeable and helpful!

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that your sister should also consider whether she wants to elect to have federal taxes withheld from her Social Security benefits when she applies. Given her high 2023 income, she's probably used to having taxes withheld from paychecks, and SS benefits don't automatically have withholding unless you request it. She can elect 7%, 10%, 12%, or 22% withholding on Form W-4V when she applies. This might help avoid a big tax surprise next April, especially since up to 85% of her benefits will likely be taxable. Just another timing consideration for her planning!

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Social Security survivor benefits on ex-spouse - family drama worth it?

I'm wrestling with a real dilemma about Social Security survivor benefits and family opinions. My ex-husband passed away 3 months ago, and I'm eligible for survivor benefits on his record since we were married 22 years before divorcing in 2015. I was primarily a stay-at-home mom homeschooling our kids while he built his engineering career. I've been working retail since 2016 but my earnings are nowhere near what he made. When I called SSA about filing for survivor benefits (I'm 61), the agent confirmed I qualify and would receive about $2,300/month instead of the $1,475 I'd get on my own record at FRA. Here's my problem - when I mentioned this to my adult children and siblings, I got majorly mixed reactions. My daughter said it felt like I was "profiting from dad's death" while my son was supportive. My brother called it a "money grab" since the divorce was somewhat contentious. Am I wrong to claim these benefits? The SSA rep said this is exactly what the program is designed for - recognizing my contribution to the family that impacted my own earnings record. Has anyone dealt with family fallout from claiming ex-spouse survivor benefits? Should I just ignore the criticism and proceed?

what about if u wait til your full retirement age? would u get more money then? sometimes its better to wait i think....

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Important clarification here: For survivor benefits (including divorced spouse survivor benefits), you can claim as early as age 60, but with a reduction. At Full Retirement Age, you'd get 100% of your survivor benefit. However, unlike regular retirement benefits, waiting BEYOND Full Retirement Age doesn't increase survivor benefits. So there's no advantage to waiting past FRA. In the original poster's case, claiming at 61 means taking a reduction from the full survivor benefit, but she might still get more now than waiting, especially if she needs the income. It's a personal calculation based on financial needs.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, and I completely understand the difficult position you're in with your family's reactions. As someone who's dealt with similar family dynamics around Social Security decisions, I want to encourage you to move forward with your application. Your family's emotional reactions, while understandable, don't change the legal and practical reality of your situation. You sacrificed career advancement during your 22-year marriage to support your family, and the Social Security system specifically recognizes this contribution through survivor benefits for divorced spouses. A few thoughts that might help with the family conversations: - Emphasize that this isn't about your feelings toward your ex-husband or "profiting" from his death - it's about financial security in retirement - Explain that these benefits exist because society recognizes the economic impact of career sacrifices made for family - Point out that your claiming benefits doesn't reduce anyone else's benefits The $800+ monthly difference between what you'd get on his record versus your own is substantial and could be the difference between financial stress and security in your later years. You've already confirmed your eligibility with SSA - now it's just a matter of following through. Your daughter and others may come around once they see this is simply you accessing benefits you're legally entitled to, not an emotional statement about your past marriage.

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Social Security dilemma: Wait until 70 or claim at retirement when spouse gets $500 raise on spousal benefits?

I'm struggling with what seems like a tricky Social Security decision. I'm turning 66 next month and planning to retire from teaching at 66.5 years old. My original plan was to wait until 70 to maximize my SS benefits, but now I'm questioning this strategy.If I wait the full 3.5 years after retirement (to age 70), my monthly benefit would increase by about $625. I've got enough savings to cover expenses during this period, but it would definitely eat into my retirement fund.Here's the twist: my wife is currently collecting her own SS benefit, but when I file, she can switch to a spousal benefit based on my record and get approximately $500 more per month. So by waiting to maximize my own benefit, I'm also delaying her increased income.So the math is: wait 3.5 years for $625 more per month for me, but that means 3.5 years without the extra $500 monthly for my wife. That's $21,000 in spousal benefits we'd miss out on while waiting.I'm leaning toward filing as soon as I retire, but I keep going back and forth. Has anyone faced a similar situation with spousal benefits complicating the "wait till 70" strategy? What factors am I missing in this calculation?

That's right, there's no benefit increase for delaying past 70. In my case, I'd be getting 3.5 years of delayed retirement credits if I wait from my retirement at 66.5 until 70. It's the sweet spot of getting the maximum possible benefit.

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As someone who's been through this exact decision process, I'd suggest creating a spreadsheet to map out the total household income under both scenarios. When I was deciding between claiming at 67 vs waiting until 70, I found it helpful to calculate the cumulative difference over 5, 10, and 15 year periods. In your case, claiming at 66.5 gives you both benefits starting immediately - your full retirement age benefit plus your wife's $500 spousal increase. That's real money in your pocket for 3.5 years while you wait. The breakeven analysis gets complicated when you factor in the time value of money and what you could do with that extra $500+ monthly. Don't forget to also consider Medicare premiums - they're deducted from your SS benefit, and having that steady income stream can help with budgeting those costs. Since you're retiring from teaching, you probably have good health insurance options, but it's still worth factoring in. The peace of mind of having both benefits flowing can be worth something too. My wife and I decided to claim at full retirement age and we've never regretted having that financial security locked in.

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Social Security WEP/GPO repeal - what it means for state pensioners married to SS recipients

I'm a 62-year-old teacher with a state pension ($4,850/month). My husband (65) worked in the private sector his whole career and receives $2,700/month in Social Security benefits. I've NEVER received any SS benefits because of the GPO/WEP rules, even though I worked summers at jobs that paid into SS for about 8 years total. My friend is in almost the exact same situation - she's a retired police officer with state pension, married to a Social Security recipient. We both pay for Medicare Part B out of pocket since we don't get SS checks where they could deduct it. With all this talk about repealing WEP and GPO, can someone explain like I'm 5 what this would mean for us? Would we suddenly be eligible for benefits based on our husbands' work records? Or maybe get some small SS benefit from our own limited contributions? I'm so confused by all the technical explanations online. Thanks!

I wonder if they'd make the repeal retroactive?? Like would we get back pay for all the years we should have been getting benefits? Probably not, knowing how the government works, but it would be nice!!

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Based on previous proposed legislation, it's highly unlikely any repeal would include retroactive payments. Most bills have proposed implementation dates starting the year after passage. The cost of retroactive payments would be prohibitive and would likely prevent any bill from passing. If legislation does pass, it would most likely only affect benefits going forward from a specified future date.

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As a fellow educator who's been following this issue closely, I want to add that timing matters a lot here. The current Social Security Fairness Act (H.R.82/S.393) has more cosponsors than previous attempts, but it still needs to get through committee and floor votes in both chambers. For your specific situation with 36 credits, you're actually pretty close to the 40-credit threshold. If you have any other work periods where you paid into SS (even part-time jobs, substitute teaching in districts that pay SS taxes, etc.), those might push you over. It's worth double-checking your complete work history. Also, regarding Medicare Part B - if GPO repeal passes and you start receiving spousal benefits, SSA would automatically deduct your Part B premiums from your SS check, which many people find more convenient than paying separately. Just another small benefit to consider! The reality is that this affects millions of public servants, and the political pressure is building. While I can't predict if/when it will pass, the momentum does seem stronger than in previous years.

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Social Security deducting too much from my paycheck for earnings test - how do I fix this?

I just turned 65 in February and I'm still working part-time at a local hardware store (about 22 hours weekly). Last year, Social Security deducted around $3,200 from my benefits because I exceeded the 2023 earnings limit - which seemed correct based on what I made. But this year, they've already taken nearly $5,800 from my monthly checks and it's only May! This can't possibly be right - I'm on track to earn less than last year. I've checked my earnings record online and I'm well Under the limit for 2024. Has anybody else had this problem? How do I get them to fix this and return the money they've incorrectly withheld? I've tried calling But keep getting disconnected after 40+ minutes waiting.

Update: I managed to get through to someone at SSA this morning! Used that Claimyr service someone mentioned and it worked great. The agent confirmed they were using my 2023 earnings to estimate 2024, but I was able to explain my reduced hours. They're sending me the SSA-795 form to complete and said they'll adjust my benefits for June. They also said I'll get back the excess they've already withheld once they process my paperwork. Thank you all for the helpful advice!

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Excellent! Make sure to keep copies of everything you submit and get the name of the representative who helps you. If possible, ask for a receipt or confirmation number for your submission. This will make follow-up much easier if needed. Glad you're getting it resolved!

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awesome! glad the service worked for you too

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Great to hear you got it resolved! This is a perfect example of why the SSA-795 form is so important for anyone whose work situation changes after retirement. For others reading this thread who might face similar issues, here are a few additional tips: 1) Submit the form as soon as your earnings pattern changes, don't wait until they start over-withholding, 2) Keep detailed records of your hours and pay - even a simple spreadsheet helps, and 3) If you're approaching FRA like StarStrider, remember that the earnings test stops completely the month you reach full retirement age, so any excess withholding from earlier in that year gets refunded automatically. The system isn't perfect but it does work when you know which forms to use!

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