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As someone new to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly thorough discussion! I'm just starting to navigate Social Security planning with my own LLC and this thread has been more helpful than any official resource I've found. One additional point I'd like to add that might help others - if you're using accounting software like QuickBooks, make sure you're generating monthly Profit & Loss statements rather than just tracking annually. This makes it much easier to see your net earnings month-by-month for Social Security purposes. Also, I learned from my CPA that you should be consistent with your accounting method (cash vs accrual) between what you report to the IRS and what you report to SSA. If you're using cash basis accounting for taxes, use the same method when calculating your monthly earnings for Social Security. Switching between methods could create discrepancies that might trigger questions later. For anyone just starting to think about this like me, I'd recommend setting up your record-keeping system now rather than waiting until you're ready to claim benefits. The monthly tracking becomes much more manageable when it's already part of your regular business routine!

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As someone new to this community and just starting to understand Social Security earnings limits with LLC income, this entire thread has been incredibly enlightening! I'm still about 3 years from retirement but already concerned about how my web design consulting LLC will interact with benefits. One question that occurred to me while reading through everyone's experiences - what about business credit card expenses vs cash expenses? If I put a legitimate business expense on a credit card in January but don't actually pay the credit card bill until February, which month does that expense count toward for reducing my net earnings? I assume it's when the expense was incurred (January) rather than when I paid the bill (February), but want to make sure I understand this correctly since timing seems so critical for staying under the monthly limits. Also, has anyone dealt with client retainer payments? I sometimes receive large retainers upfront but the actual work gets performed over several months. I'm wondering if SSA would count the full retainer in the month received, or if they'd want me to allocate it across the months when I actually perform the services. Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed real-world experiences - this is exactly the kind of practical information that's impossible to find in official SSA publications!

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Welcome to the community! Great questions about credit card timing and retainers. For credit card expenses, you're correct - if you're using cash basis accounting (which most small LLCs do), the expense counts when incurred, not when you pay the credit card bill. So a January business purchase counts toward January's expense deductions even if you don't pay the card until February. For retainer payments, this gets more complex and depends on your accounting method. With cash basis, you'd typically count the full retainer as income when received, but then you could potentially argue to SSA that the income should be allocated across the months when services are actually performed - especially if you have good documentation showing the work timeline. I'd strongly recommend discussing this specific situation with both your CPA and SSA directly, since retainer timing can significantly impact your monthly earnings calculations. The key is being consistent with whatever method you choose and having detailed records to support your allocation. You're really smart to start thinking about these scenarios now rather than trying to figure it out when you're ready to claim benefits!

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One additional point that might be relevant for your situation: If your wife reports your death to SSA within the same month that you pass away, they may withhold your final monthly payment. However, if she reports it in the month after your death, your final payment is generally allowed to remain. This can make a difference of an entire month's benefit amount. The rules around this can be complex, so it's something to discuss with SSA when the time comes.

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I had no idea about this timing issue for reporting. That's really valuable information - could make a difference of over $4,000 in our case. Thank you for pointing this out.

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Just wanted to add something important that I learned when helping my aunt navigate this situation last year - make sure your wife keeps detailed records of all her communications with SSA regarding the survivor benefits application. The process can sometimes take a few months to complete, and having documentation of what was submitted and when can be really helpful if there are any delays or issues. Also, if she's comfortable with technology, she can check the status of her application online through her my Social Security account, which saved my aunt from making multiple phone calls during the waiting period.

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That's excellent advice about keeping records! As someone new to understanding all these Social Security rules, I'm realizing there are so many details that could easily get overlooked during what's already a stressful time. The online account tip is especially helpful - I should probably help my wife set up her my Social Security account now while we're both still here and can figure it out together without any pressure.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Alexander. This is an incredibly difficult situation to navigate during such a challenging time. I wanted to add one important consideration that might affect your decision: if you're considering the strategy of taking survivor benefits now and switching to your own retirement benefit later, make sure to get a Social Security Statement (available at ssa.gov/myaccount) to see your projected retirement benefits at different ages. Since you're still working part-time at the hospital, those earnings are continuing to build your own Social Security record, which could potentially increase your future retirement benefit. The extra years of earnings might make the "claim survivor benefits now, switch to retirement at 70" strategy even more beneficial in your case. Also, don't forget that as a surviving spouse, you may be eligible for Medicare at 65 even if you're not yet claiming Social Security benefits, which could be important for your healthcare planning. The community here has given you excellent advice about the benefit calculations and strategies. Take your time with the decision, gather all the numbers, and remember that there's no universally "right" choice - only what works best for your specific financial situation and needs.

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Thank you Omar, that's such a great point about getting my Social Security Statement! I hadn't thought about how my continued part-time work might be improving my own retirement benefit record. Since I've been working at the hospital for the past few years, those earnings could definitely make a difference in the calculation. And the Medicare information is really helpful too - I was wondering about healthcare coverage as I get closer to 65. It sounds like there are actually quite a few moving pieces to consider beyond just the basic survivor benefit decision. I'm feeling much more prepared now to have that conversation with SSA armed with all this knowledge from everyone here. This community has been incredible during such a difficult time.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Alexander. Having lost my spouse last year, I understand how overwhelming it can be to make these financial decisions while grieving. One thing that really helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet comparing different claiming scenarios over 5-10 years to see the total benefits received under each option. Since you're 60 now and still working part-time, here's something to consider: even though survivor benefits are reduced if claimed early, the monthly income might provide valuable financial stability while you're transitioning. The "break-even" point where waiting pays off is typically around age 78-80, so your health and family longevity should factor into the decision too. Also, don't overlook that your continued hospital work is still earning you Social Security credits that could boost your own retirement benefit calculation. Make sure SSA runs projections for both your survivor benefit AND your own retirement benefit at age 70 - you might be surprised which one ends up higher. The flexibility everyone mentioned about switching between benefits is a huge advantage that many people don't know about. Take your time, get the numbers, and remember there's no perfect choice - just what works best for your situation.

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As someone who's just discovering this community and learning about Medicare systems for the first time, this discussion has been incredibly educational! What really stands out to me is how everyone worked together to systematically identify this scam - from the initial gut feeling that something was "off" to the methodical analysis of specific red flags. The breakdown of warning signs is so helpful for newcomers like me: requests for full SSN and banking information (which legitimate agencies already have), non-.gov websites, vague department names, and missing official form numbers. I had no idea that real MSP outreach exists through proper state Medicaid channels, which makes the verification guidance even more valuable. What's particularly striking is how these scammers are exploiting the legitimate complexity of government benefit programs to target seniors. But this thread proves how powerful community knowledge can be in protecting our most vulnerable members. The emphasis on always using official government contact information rather than anything provided in suspicious correspondence is such practical advice I'll definitely share with elderly relatives. Thank you to everyone who contributed their expertise - this conversation demonstrates exactly why community support is so crucial for navigating these complex systems and protecting against increasingly sophisticated fraud attempts!

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This has been such an incredible learning experience for me as someone completely new to both this community and Medicare systems! What really amazes me is how this thread transformed from one family's concern into such a comprehensive fraud prevention guide that will help protect countless others. As a newcomer who's just starting to understand these complex government programs, I'm particularly grateful for how everyone broke down the verification process step-by-step. The emphasis on using only official .gov websites and government phone numbers, combined with checking for proper form numbers and letterhead, gives me concrete tools I can use when helping my own elderly relatives evaluate suspicious correspondence. The distinction between legitimate MSP outreach (through proper state Medicaid channels) and these sophisticated scam attempts is knowledge I never would have gained otherwise. It's eye-opening to see how deliberately these fraudsters target seniors by exploiting the complexity of benefit programs, but equally inspiring to witness how community knowledge can provide such strong protection. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and expertise - this discussion perfectly demonstrates the value of collaborative learning and community support in keeping our most vulnerable members safe from increasingly clever scams!

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This entire discussion has been such a valuable resource for someone like me who's new to navigating Medicare programs and helping elderly family members with government correspondence! What really strikes me is how the community quickly identified the key red flags - particularly the requests for full SSN and banking information, which legitimate government agencies would never ask for through unsolicited mail. As a newcomer to these systems, I'm especially grateful for the clear distinction everyone made between legitimate MSP outreach (which does exist through proper state Medicaid channels) and these sophisticated fraud attempts. The verification steps outlined here - always using official government phone numbers, checking for .gov websites, and looking for official SSA form numbers - give me concrete tools to protect my own elderly relatives. It's concerning how these scammers are deliberately targeting seniors by exploiting the complexity of benefit programs, but this thread demonstrates the incredible power of community knowledge in providing protection. The emphasis on trusting initial instincts when something feels "off" combined with methodical verification through official channels is advice I'm definitely going to share with my family. Thank you to everyone who contributed their expertise and experiences - this conversation should be bookmarked by anyone helping elderly relatives navigate Medicare-related correspondence!

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To directly answer your planning question: the optimal Social Security strategy when concerned about future cognitive decline often involves: 1. If you're married: Consider having the higher-earning spouse delay benefits until 70 while the lower-earning spouse claims earlier. This maximizes potential survivor benefits if one spouse requires long-term care. 2. For single individuals: The calculation depends on your specific state's Medicaid income limits and personal health indicators. If early-onset Alzheimer's (before 65-70) runs in your family, claiming earlier might make more sense. 3. Document preparation: Regardless of your claiming strategy, make sure you have a durable power of attorney, healthcare directive, and possibly a revocable trust in place BEFORE any cognitive decline begins. 4. Long-term care insurance: If you're 58 and concerned about Alzheimer's, explore long-term care insurance NOW while you're still insurable. Traditional policies or hybrid life insurance/LTC policies can provide significant protection and more care options than Medicaid alone.

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This is incredibly helpful. I am married, and my husband will have a higher benefit than me, so your strategy #1 makes a lot of sense. I hadn't considered how survivor benefits play into this equation. We definitely need to update our legal documents too. I'll look into the LTC insurance options, though I've heard they can be quite expensive.

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I want to share some perspective as someone who works in eldercare social services. Your situation highlights why advance planning is so crucial for families with genetic predispositions to dementia. One thing not mentioned yet: consider consulting with a Certified Financial Planner who has experience with Special Needs Planning. They can model different Social Security claiming strategies alongside potential Medicaid scenarios specific to Ohio's rules. Also, since you're 58 and proactively planning, you might benefit from exploring Ohio's PASSPORT waiver program. This Medicaid waiver allows people to receive long-term care services at home or in community settings rather than nursing facilities. Having this knowledge now could influence your Social Security timing decisions later. The fact that you're thinking about this while still cognitively able puts you ahead of many families who face these decisions in crisis mode. Document your preferences clearly - not just legally, but your actual wishes for care settings, financial priorities, etc. This will help your family make decisions that align with your values if the time comes. Keep asking these hard questions. The intersection of Social Security timing and long-term care planning is complex, but understanding it now gives you real power to make informed choices.

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Thank you for this incredibly comprehensive advice! I hadn't heard of Ohio's PASSPORT waiver program before - that sounds like it could be a game-changer for keeping someone at home longer rather than going straight to a nursing facility. I'll definitely look into that. Your point about documenting preferences while I'm still cognitively able really resonates with me. Watching my mom go through this has shown me how important it is to have those conversations and decisions made ahead of time. I think I'll start writing down not just the legal stuff, but also my actual preferences for care settings and quality of life considerations. The suggestion about a CFP with Special Needs Planning experience is excellent too. I realize I need someone who understands both the Social Security optimization AND the Medicaid implications for Ohio specifically. Do you have any recommendations for finding planners with this specialized knowledge?

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