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Just to add a bit more clarity on the technical aspects: There are actually two different earnings tests: 1. The annual earnings test for people who won't reach FRA during the year (limit of $22,320 for 2024) 2. The higher monthly earnings test for the year you reach FRA, which only counts earnings before your FRA month (limit of $59,520 for 2024) In your case, since you're only starting benefits in your FRA month (December), neither test applies to you. Your benefits starting with December (paid in January) won't be affected by any earnings, before or after your FRA.

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That explanation makes it super clear, thank you! I didn't realize there were two different tests. So if I understand correctly, once I hit FRA in December, I can collect full benefits for December regardless of how much I earned January-November, and regardless of how much I earn in December itself or any future month.

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Exactly right! Once you're at FRA, you can earn unlimited amounts with no impact on your Social Security benefits.

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This thread has been so helpful! I'm in a similar boat - turning 67 in November and have been stressed about my earnings this year. Reading everyone's experiences really confirms what I suspected but wasn't sure about. One thing I'd add for anyone else reading this: make sure you have all your documents ready when you apply. I started gathering my birth certificate, W-2s, and other paperwork early because I've heard the application can ask for quite a bit of documentation. Better to be prepared than scramble later!

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Great advice about getting documents ready early! I actually just started gathering mine too. Do you happen to know if they need recent pay stubs or just the W-2s from previous years? I'm trying to figure out exactly what employment documentation they'll want since I'm still working full-time.

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To clear up any confusion: For retirement benefits, if you start benefits in the exact month you reach FRA, your benefit will be calculated based on the number of days in that month before you reached FRA. For example, with FRA on November 15: - If you select November 1 as your start date, your benefit would be reduced by about 1/2 of one month's early retirement reduction (roughly 0.25-0.3%) - If you select December 1, you get your full benefit with no reduction For most people, waiting until the month after FRA (December 1 in your case) makes the most sense, especially if you want to ensure you get your full PIA amount.

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Thank you for the detailed explanation! I'm definitely going with December 1st as my start date. The small reduction might not seem like much, but as others pointed out, it adds up over time. I appreciate all the helpful responses!

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Great question! I'm approaching my own FRA soon and had the exact same confusion. After reading through all these responses, it's clear that waiting until December 1st is the smart move for your situation. The key thing I learned is that SSA pays benefits for the previous month, so your November payment would reflect that partial month before reaching FRA on the 15th. Even though the reduction might only be around 0.25-0.3%, that adds up to real money over 20+ years of retirement. Better to wait one extra month and get your full benefit amount from the start!

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Thanks for summarizing this so clearly, Jessica! I'm also getting close to my FRA and this whole thread has been super educational. It's amazing how one small decision can impact decades of payments. The math really does add up - even that small 0.25% reduction over 20+ years is significant money. I'm bookmarking this discussion for when I need to make my own application!

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I'm in a very similar situation - turned 70 three months ago and still working full-time. Reading all these responses is making me panic! I had no idea the benefits stopped growing at 70. I thought I was being smart by waiting since I don't need the money right now and my employer insurance is great. But losing $15k-40k like some of you mentioned is terrifying! I'm definitely going to try that Claimyr service someone mentioned because I've been trying to get through to SSA for weeks with no luck. Question though - when you all applied late like this, did you have any issues with the application process being more complicated? I'm worried they'll ask why I waited so long and make it difficult.

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Don't panic! You're only 3 months past 70, so you're not looking at the massive losses some others mentioned. The application process itself isn't more complicated just because you waited - SSA doesn't really ask "why" you waited, they just process your application. The representatives are used to people applying at different ages. When I finally applied at 71, they were actually very helpful and understanding. The important thing is you're doing it now! Try Claimyr if the phone lines aren't working - it really does help cut through the wait times. And remember, you can still get up to 6 months retroactive, so you might only lose 3 months of benefits if you apply soon. Still frustrating, but not the end of the world. The sooner you start the process, the sooner you'll have that monthly income coming in!

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As someone who works in retirement planning, I can't stress enough how important it is to file immediately! You're absolutely correct that benefits stop growing at 70 - those delayed retirement credits max out then. The good news is you've only been 70 for about a month, so your losses are minimal compared to some of the horror stories shared here. A few quick tips for your application: - You can apply online at ssa.gov/retire which is often faster than calling - If you do need to call, try early morning (8 AM) when lines are less busy - Have your W-2s from the last 2 years handy - Since you're still working, make sure to tell them about your current employer insurance when discussing Medicare The retroactive benefits (up to 6 months) should help minimize your losses. Don't beat yourself up too much - this is unfortunately a very common situation because SSA doesn't actively notify people about this rule change at 70. The important thing is you're taking action now!

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Does anyone know if the Social Security office tells u all this stuff when u go in for an appointment? I want to retire next year but so confused about all these rules!!

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In my experience, yes, a Social Security representative should explain all these details during an appointment. However, they're often very busy, so I recommend doing research beforehand and bringing specific questions. You can also create a my Social Security account online to check your estimated benefits and eligibility dates.

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I went through this exact same situation last year! Born in June 1958 as well, so I can share what actually happened. Your FRA is definitely 66 years and 8 months, which means February 18, 2025 for you. I applied in November 2023 (about 3 months early) and my first payment came in March 2024 on the third Wednesday as expected - no delays because I applied early enough. One thing that really helped me was setting up my online Social Security account beforehand to track the application status. Also, make sure you have all your documents ready - W-2s, tax returns, birth certificate, etc. The application process was actually smoother than I expected when I was prepared. The key is definitely applying early. I saw friends who waited until their birthday month and then had to deal with processing delays and gaps in income. You're smart to plan ahead!

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@AstroAlpha Your experience is so helpful! I'm the original poster (Isabella) and hearing from someone with the exact same birth year makes me feel much more confident about the timing. I'm definitely going to apply in November 2024 like you did. Did you find that having the online account set up ahead of time made the actual application process faster? And were there any unexpected questions or requirements that came up during the application that you wish you had known about beforehand? I'm going to start gathering all those documents now so I'm not scrambling later. Thanks again for sharing your real experience - it's worth more than all the general advice!

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Yes, having the online account set up beforehand definitely streamlined things! You can see your estimated monthly benefit amount, your earnings history, and even start the application online. For documents, I was able to upload digital copies for most things, but they did mail me a form requesting physical verification for a couple items later. One thing that surprised me was they asked detailed questions about any pension plans from employers - make sure you have that information handy. Also, if you've ever been married (even if divorced), they'll need those details too since it can affect benefit calculations. The whole process took about 6 weeks from application to approval, and then my first payment arrived exactly when they said it would. Having everything organized upfront really made a difference!

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As someone who works at a local SSA office, I can confirm most of the advice here is spot-on! Just want to add a few practical tips for your appointment next week: 1) Bring your divorce decree and marriage certificate if you have them - it speeds up the process significantly 2) Be very specific about wanting to file a "restricted application for auxiliary benefits only" - use those exact words 3) Ask them to put a note in your file about switching to your own benefit at age 70, so there's no confusion later Also, don't be surprised if the first representative you speak with isn't familiar with restricted applications - it's becoming less common as fewer people are eligible. If they seem confused, politely ask to speak with a supervisor or someone more experienced with these types of claims. The strategy you're using is perfectly legitimate and one of the smartest moves you can make given your situation. You'll essentially get 3 years of "free" money while your own benefit continues to grow with delayed retirement credits!

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Thank you so much for the insider tips! I definitely wouldn't have known to use those specific terms "restricted application for auxiliary benefits only" - that could have saved me a lot of confusion. I do have both my divorce decree and marriage certificate, so I'll make sure to bring those along. It's reassuring to hear from someone who actually works at SSA that this strategy is legitimate. I was starting to second-guess myself after some of the comments here. The idea of getting three years of benefits while my own continues to grow really does seem too good to be true, but I'm glad it's real! One quick follow-up question - should I expect the process to take multiple visits, or can everything typically be completed in one appointment?

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I'm in a very similar situation - turned 67 last year, divorced after 14 years of marriage, never remarried, and still working. I successfully filed for ex-spouse benefits about 6 months ago and it's been great! Just wanted to share a few things from my experience: The appointment itself was pretty straightforward once I got to someone who knew about restricted applications. It took about an hour total and they processed everything that same day. My first payment came about 6 weeks later. One thing nobody mentioned - you might want to ask about having taxes withheld from your Social Security payments if you're still working full-time. Since you'll have both work income and Social Security income, you could end up owing taxes at the end of the year if you don't plan for it. I had them withhold 10% federal taxes from my monthly payments and it's worked out perfectly. Also, the SSA sends annual statements showing your projected benefit at age 70, so you can keep track of how much your own benefit is growing each year. It's really satisfying to see those delayed retirement credits adding up! You're making a smart financial move - don't let anyone tell you otherwise. This is exactly what these benefits are designed for.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you for sharing your real experience! The tax withholding tip is brilliant - I hadn't even thought about that aspect. Since I'm still earning a good salary, having both income streams will definitely put me in a higher tax bracket. I'll make sure to ask about the 10% federal withholding when I go to my appointment. It's also great to know that the whole process can be completed in one visit. I was worried I'd be making multiple trips to the SSA office. And getting those annual statements to track my growing benefit at 70 sounds really motivating - like watching my retirement account grow! I really appreciate you taking the time to share these practical details. It makes me feel much more confident about moving forward with this strategy.

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