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Social Security earnings limit confusion - does 401k interest count toward $23,400 limit when working part-time?

I'm turning 66 next February but planning to file for Social Security in April 2025 (still before my FRA of 67). I've been at my company for 32 years and finally decided it's time for a change, though I'm planning to pick up some consulting work to stay active - maybe 15-20 hours weekly. I understand there's an annual earnings limit of $23,400 for 2025 since I'll be claiming before my full retirement age. My question is about my 401k though - I'm planning to take monthly distributions from my 401k interest/earnings rather than touching the principal. Does the SSA count these 401k distributions as "earnings" toward that $23,400 limit? Additionally, if I accidentally go over the limit in my consulting work, how exactly does the penalty work? I've heard they withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 over the limit, but do they take it all at once or spread it out? Thanks for any help!

Let me clear up a few points about the retirement earnings test: 1. For anyone under FRA for the entire year 2025, the limit is $23,400 2. In the year you reach FRA, the limit is $62,640 ONLY for the months BEFORE the month you reach FRA 3. Starting the month you reach FRA, there is NO limit on earnings Regarding withholding: SSA estimates your earnings for the year. If you expect to exceed the limit, they'll withhold benefits proactively. Otherwise, they'll reconcile after the fact when tax data is available, which can result in unexpected overpayments. And yes, absolutely confirmed that 401(k) distributions, regardless of whether they're from interest, earnings, or principal, do NOT count toward the earnings test limit.

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for the detailed breakdown! So since my FRA is 67 (born in 1959), and I'm claiming at 66, I'll be under the $23,400 limit for all of 2025, then switch to the higher limit for the months in 2026 before my birthday, then no limit after. Perfect!

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Just wanted to add my experience as someone who went through this exact situation two years ago. I filed for SS at 65 while still doing freelance work, and I can confirm that 401k distributions absolutely do NOT count toward the earnings limit - only your actual work income does. One tip I learned the hard way: keep really good records of your consulting income throughout the year. I use a simple spreadsheet to track each payment and running total so I know exactly where I stand. When I got close to the limit in November, I was able to turn down a project to stay under rather than deal with the benefit withholding. Also, don't forget that if you're doing consulting work, you'll likely need to pay quarterly estimated taxes on that income since there's no employer withholding. Something to factor into your planning!

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Social Security FRA changed from 66 years 8 months to 66 years 10 months for July 1958 birthday?

I'm getting close to retirement and trying to plan my SS benefits. I was under the impression that my Full Retirement Age (FRA) would be 66 years and 8 months since I was born in July 1958. But yesterday my neighbor (born 1956) said something about the SSA changing some of the FRA calculations recently, and now I'm worried mine shifted to 66 years and 10 months? I can't find a straight answer on the SSA website, and when I try to call, I just get the automated system. Does anyone know if the FRA for 1958 birthdays actually changed? I had March 2025 marked on my calendar as my FRA date but now I'm confused.

My wife is also July 1958 and we just went through this whole thing with planning her retirement. Her FRA is definitely 66+8 months, so March 2025 is right. But remember that Social Security pays a month behind, so her first FULL payment at FRA would be in April 2025 (for March).

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Oh that's a really good point about the month behind payment! I hadn't factored that into my cash flow planning. Looks like I need to account for that one-month delay. Thanks for mentioning it!

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Everyone here is focusing just on your FRA date, but have you considered whether waiting until your FRA is actually the best strategy for you? Depending on your health, family longevity, current savings, and whether you're still working, filing before or after FRA might be better. I initially planned to file at my FRA (66+4mo), but after running the numbers, I decided to wait until 70 for the maximum benefit since I'm still working part-time and don't need the income yet. Just something to think about beyond just confirming your correct FRA date.

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I should point out that restricted application for spousal benefits only (while delaying your own) is no longer available for people born after January 1, 1954. For someone born in 1958, when you file, you'll be deemed to be filing for all available benefits. This is a common misconception that persists among many financial advisors who haven't kept up with the rule changes from the 2015 Bipartisan Budget Act.

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Oh wow, I had no idea about that rule change! My financial advisor definitely didn't mention that restriction. So if I understand correctly, once I file at any age, I'll automatically be deemed to file for both my own benefit and any spousal benefit I'm eligible for? That completely changes my strategy. I really need to have another conversation with my advisor about this. Thank you for catching that - this is exactly why I love this community!

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SS retirement benefits already filed - can I withdraw and delay for higher amount due to IRMAA issues?

I'm in a bit of a pickle with my Social Security timing and looking for advice. I applied for my SS retirement benefits to begin in January 2026 (with first payment in February). I'll be turning 67 (my FRA) at that time, and had planned to retire from my state government job in June 2026. However, I've just realized my calculations were way off regarding Medicare IRMAA surcharges based on my income. If I retire in June as planned, my income for 2026 will push me into a higher IRMAA bracket than I can comfortably afford. I'm now thinking I might need to delay retirement until December 2026 to better manage my finances. My questions: 1. Can I withdraw my SS application at this point since payments haven't started yet? 2. If I withdraw and reapply for a later start date (maybe January 2027), will my benefit amount increase because I'd be older? 3. Does anyone know if there's a deadline for withdrawing an application? I'm kicking myself for not considering IRMAA more carefully in my retirement planning. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

did u know that if u work for a state that doesnt pay into SS (like some do and some dont) it can really mess up ur benefits? my cousin lost like half his SS because of something called windfall elimination provision. just mentioning in case ur state job is one of those???

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Good point about WEP. To clarify: the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) reduces Social Security benefits for people who receive pensions from work where they didn't pay Social Security taxes (like some state/local government jobs). However, the reduction is eliminated if you have 30+ years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security. The Government Pension Offset (GPO) is a separate provision that can affect spousal/survivor benefits. Both are important considerations for state employees approaching retirement.

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I'm just starting to think about my own retirement planning and this thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I had no idea about IRMAA or how complex the timing could be with Social Security and Medicare. @Chloe Mitchell - it sounds like you're being really smart to pause and recalculate everything before moving forward. I'm curious though - when you do withdraw your application with form SSA-521, do you have to wait any specific amount of time before you can reapply? Or can you turn around and file a new application right away for a different start date? Also, for everyone who's mentioned financial advisors - are there any specific certifications or specializations I should look for when finding someone who really understands Social Security and government pensions? I work for a local municipality and want to make sure I don't make the same mistakes when my time comes. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice you can't get from the official websites!

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Taking SS at 62 while husband waits until FRA - investing benefits but worried about downsides

I'm turning 62 next month and seriously considering taking my Social Security benefits early rather than waiting until my Full Retirement Age. I've done some calculations and surprisingly, the difference between what I'd get now versus at FRA isn't substantial in my case (only about $320 less per month if I take it early). My thought is to invest these monthly payments to potentially make up the difference over time. My situation: I've already retired from my nursing career, while my husband (63) is still working. He's definitely the higher earner in our marriage and plans to wait until his FRA to maximize his benefits. We're both in good health (him especially - still runs 5 miles daily), and I don't have any pressing need for the money right now. I understand the permanent reduction for claiming early, but are there other downsides I'm missing? Particularly concerned about: 1. How this might affect spousal benefits later? 2. Any earnings limit issues if I decide to do some part-time work? 3. Tax implications I might not be considering? Does my investment strategy make sense, or am I missing something obvious here? Thanks for any insights!

@original poster - did you ever get this resolved? I'm curious what you decided to do since I'm facing a similar decision next year. My financial advisor actually suggested the same strategy you're considering.

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Yes! After weighing everyone's input and meeting with my financial advisor, I decided to go ahead with taking benefits at 62. The key factors in my decision were: 1) the relatively small difference between early and FRA benefits in my specific case, 2) learning that survivor benefits wouldn't be affected if my husband waits until his FRA, and 3) realizing I'd still get a partial spousal bump when my husband files even though I took my own benefits early. I'll be filing next month when I turn 62! Fingers crossed it works out.

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Congratulations on making your decision! It sounds like you did your homework and considered all the important factors. Since you're moving forward with filing at 62, here are a couple of practical tips from someone who went through the process recently: 1. File online if possible - it's much faster than trying to get through on the phone 2. Keep good records of your investment strategy and returns for tax purposes 3. Consider setting up automatic investing for your SS payments so you stay disciplined with the plan One last thing - you mentioned being worried about Medicare premiums earlier. Just FYI, your Social Security benefit amount doesn't directly affect Medicare Part B premiums, but if your investment income pushes your total income above certain thresholds, you could face IRMAA surcharges on Medicare premiums later. Something to keep in mind as you manage those investments! Best of luck with your strategy - hope it works out well for you!

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