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As someone who just went through this decision process last year, I can confirm what others have said - 401k distributions absolutely do NOT count toward the earnings limit. I was worried about the same thing when I started claiming at 65 while still doing some part-time work. One thing I'd add is to consider the timing of when you start your consulting work. Since you're filing in April 2025, SSA will use the monthly earnings test for the remainder of that year (rather than the annual test). This means you can earn up to $1,950 per month ($23,400/12) from April through December without any penalty. This might actually work in your favor if you're planning to ease into consulting gradually. Also, keep in mind that your reduced benefit at 66 will increase slightly each month until you reach full retirement age due to delayed retirement credits. It's not a huge amount, but every little bit helps! Good luck with your transition - it sounds like you've got a solid plan in place.
Thank you for that clarification about the monthly earnings test! That's a detail I hadn't seen mentioned anywhere else and it could make a big difference in how I plan my consulting work for 2025. The idea that I can earn up to $1,950 per month from April through December rather than having to spread $23,400 over the full year gives me much more flexibility in taking on projects. I really appreciate you sharing that insight along with the reminder about the delayed retirement credits - it's these kinds of practical details that make such a difference when planning this transition. This community has been incredibly helpful!
As someone who has been navigating the Social Security system for a few years now, I wanted to add a couple of additional points that might be helpful for your situation. First, regarding your 401k distributions - everyone is absolutely correct that these don't count toward the earnings limit. However, do keep in mind that if you're taking distributions from a traditional 401k (rather than Roth), these will still be taxable income that could affect how much of your Social Security benefits are subject to federal taxes. It won't impact the earnings test, but it's worth factoring into your overall tax planning. Second, since you mentioned you've been at your company for 32 years, make sure to check if your employer offers any kind of phased retirement or emeritus consulting arrangement. Some companies will hire back recent retirees as consultants at favorable rates, and since you already know the business, it could be a great way to ease into your reduced work schedule while maintaining some income continuity. The monthly earnings test that others mentioned for your first partial year is definitely something to take advantage of - it gives you much more flexibility in how you structure your consulting income in 2025. Best of luck with your transition!
My wife is also July 1958 and we just went through this whole thing with planning her retirement. Her FRA is definitely 66+8 months, so March 2025 is right. But remember that Social Security pays a month behind, so her first FULL payment at FRA would be in April 2025 (for March).
Everyone here is focusing just on your FRA date, but have you considered whether waiting until your FRA is actually the best strategy for you? Depending on your health, family longevity, current savings, and whether you're still working, filing before or after FRA might be better. I initially planned to file at my FRA (66+4mo), but after running the numbers, I decided to wait until 70 for the maximum benefit since I'm still working part-time and don't need the income yet. Just something to think about beyond just confirming your correct FRA date.
That's a really good point. I'm actually planning to work until 68, but I wanted to confirm my FRA first as a baseline. My financial advisor suggested I might want to start spousal benefits at FRA while delaying my own benefit until later. It's complicated but knowing the exact FRA date helps with the planning.
I should point out that restricted application for spousal benefits only (while delaying your own) is no longer available for people born after January 1, 1954. For someone born in 1958, when you file, you'll be deemed to be filing for all available benefits. This is a common misconception that persists among many financial advisors who haven't kept up with the rule changes from the 2015 Bipartisan Budget Act.
did u know that if u work for a state that doesnt pay into SS (like some do and some dont) it can really mess up ur benefits? my cousin lost like half his SS because of something called windfall elimination provision. just mentioning in case ur state job is one of those???
Good point about WEP. To clarify: the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) reduces Social Security benefits for people who receive pensions from work where they didn't pay Social Security taxes (like some state/local government jobs). However, the reduction is eliminated if you have 30+ years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security. The Government Pension Offset (GPO) is a separate provision that can affect spousal/survivor benefits. Both are important considerations for state employees approaching retirement.
I'm just starting to think about my own retirement planning and this thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I had no idea about IRMAA or how complex the timing could be with Social Security and Medicare. @Chloe Mitchell - it sounds like you're being really smart to pause and recalculate everything before moving forward. I'm curious though - when you do withdraw your application with form SSA-521, do you have to wait any specific amount of time before you can reapply? Or can you turn around and file a new application right away for a different start date? Also, for everyone who's mentioned financial advisors - are there any specific certifications or specializations I should look for when finding someone who really understands Social Security and government pensions? I work for a local municipality and want to make sure I don't make the same mistakes when my time comes. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice you can't get from the official websites!
Nina Chan
I'm sorry you're going through this difficult situation on top of losing your wife. Based on what you've described, it sounds like there may be an error in how they're calculating the withholding amount. The fact that you only owe $712 according to your Medicare account but they're withholding thousands in benefits suggests this is likely a system error during your benefit transition. When switching from survivor to retirement benefits, the Medicare premium collection sometimes gets confused and triggers incorrect withholding amounts. Here are a few things that might help: - When you call, ask specifically for a "Medicare Premium Recovery Review" - Request they explain the exact calculation they're using for the withholding - Ask about setting up a payment plan for the $712 rather than withholding full benefits - If they can't resolve it immediately, ask for a supervisor who handles "premium collection disputes" Document everything - dates, times, names, and what each person tells you. This will be crucial if you need to file an appeal. The good news is that once this gets straightened out, you should receive all the back benefits they've been withholding. Hang in there - this type of issue is unfortunately common but is fixable once you get the right person who understands the system.
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Brianna Schmidt
•Thank you so much for the compassionate response and practical advice. You're right that dealing with this on top of grieving has been incredibly stressful. I really appreciate the specific terminology you mentioned - "Medicare Premium Recovery Review" and "premium collection disputes" - having the right words to use when I call should help me get to someone who actually understands this type of issue. I'll definitely document everything as you suggested, and the idea of asking about a payment plan for just the $712 makes a lot more sense than having thousands withheld. It's reassuring to know this is fixable and that I should get the back benefits once it's resolved.
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Evelyn Martinez
I'm so sorry for your loss, and dealing with this bureaucratic nightmare while grieving must be incredibly overwhelming. What you're experiencing is unfortunately common when there's a transition between different types of Social Security benefits. The key issue here seems to be that SSA's system flagged unpaid Medicare premiums during your benefit type transition (survivor to retirement), but their automated withholding calculation appears to be completely wrong. You should NOT have thousands withheld for a $712 premium debt. Here's what I'd recommend doing immediately: 1. **Get the right person on the phone**: When you call SSA, specifically ask to speak with someone in "Medicare Premium Collections" - don't just accept being transferred to general customer service. 2. **Use these exact phrases**: Say you need a "Medicare Premium Withholding Review" and ask for form SSA-561 for reconsideration. Also mention you want to understand the "limitation on recovery" rules that should prevent excessive withholding. 3. **Gather your documentation**: Print out your Medicare.gov account showing the $712 balance, and have your recent premium payment records ready. 4. **Request immediate relief**: Ask about "benefit continuation pending reconsideration" so you can receive benefits while they review the case. This is absolutely worth fighting - the math doesn't add up, and you deserve those benefits. Keep pushing until you get someone who understands Medicare premium collection rules. You've got this!
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Mateo Rodriguez
•This is such helpful and detailed advice! I especially appreciate you mentioning the specific department to ask for - "Medicare Premium Collections" - because I think that's been part of my problem. I keep getting transferred to general customer service reps who seem confused by the situation. The phrase "benefit continuation pending reconsideration" is also really useful to know about. I had no idea I could potentially get my benefits flowing again while they sort this out. Thank you for taking the time to lay out such clear steps - it gives me hope that this can actually be resolved!
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