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One important warning that nobody has mentioned: if any of his early lower-paying jobs were with employers not covered by Social Security (like some government or education positions), he might be subject to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) which could actually REDUCE his Social Security benefit. This happens if he's receiving a pension from non-covered work. Similarly, if you're collecting a government pension from non-SS-covered work, your spousal benefits could be reduced by the Government Pension Offset (GPO) provision. Might be worth checking if these apply to your situation.

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This is incredibly important information! He did work for a state university system for several years. I'm going to have him check whether that employment was covered by Social Security or if it might trigger WEP. Thank you so much for bringing this up!

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Just wanted to add one more consideration that might be helpful - since your husband is continuing to work past FRA, make sure you're both maximizing tax-advantaged savings opportunities! He can still contribute to a 401(k) if his employer offers one, and at his age he's eligible for catch-up contributions ($7,500 extra in 2024). This can help offset some of the higher tax burden from having both SS benefits and earned income. Also, if he has access to an HSA through work, that's triple tax-advantaged and can be a great supplement for healthcare costs in retirement. The combination of continued earnings replacing lower years in his SS calculation PLUS maximizing these tax-deferred savings can really optimize your overall retirement picture during these working years past FRA.

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I'm so sorry you're going through this nightmare - 18 months is absolutely unacceptable for something that should be a straightforward calculation. Your situation highlights exactly why so many people are losing faith in the system. A few additional suggestions that might help: 1. Document EVERYTHING in a spreadsheet - dates, names, what was promised, reference numbers from calls. This creates a timeline that's hard for them to dismiss. 2. When you do get connected to someone with authority, ask them to put their promised resolution timeline IN WRITING via email or letter. No more verbal promises that disappear into the void. 3. Consider filing a complaint with your state's Department of Aging/Elder Affairs - they often have ombudsman programs that can advocate directly with federal agencies. 4. If you haven't already, request your complete file under the Freedom of Information Act. Sometimes seeing exactly what notes are (or aren't) in your file can reveal where the breakdown is occurring. The fact that you're out $6,660+ in back payments ($370 x 18 months) makes this a substantial financial hardship case. Keep pushing - you're entitled to those DRCs and they know it. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, unfortunately, but you shouldn't have to squeak this loud for this long. Stay strong and keep us updated on your progress!

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This is such excellent advice! The FOIA request is brilliant - I never would have thought of that. It makes perfect sense that seeing what's actually in my file (or what's missing) could reveal where things are getting stuck. Victoria, your point about getting promises in writing really hits home. I've been accepting these verbal "it should be fixed next month" statements for way too long. From now on, I'm going to insist on written confirmation of any timeline they give me. The state ombudsman suggestion is new to me too. I'll look into what Virginia has available. At this point I need all the advocacy help I can get! Thank you for putting the dollar amount in perspective - $6,660+ really drives home how serious this delay has become. I'm definitely going to use that figure when I speak with the District Manager and senators.

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I'm a newcomer here but had to jump in because this hits close to home. My neighbor went through almost the exact same situation with missing DRCs last year. What finally worked for her was getting her case escalated to what's called a "Critical Case" status at the Regional Office level. Here's what she learned: there's actually a specific SSA form called SSA-795 (Statement of Claimant or Other Person) that you can use to document your case and request expedited handling. She filled it out detailing all 18 months of attempts and specifically requested "Critical Case" designation due to financial hardship from the delayed payments. The key was being very specific about the financial impact - she calculated not just the monthly shortfall but also the opportunity cost of that money (what it would have earned in savings, bills that went unpaid, etc.). That seemed to get their attention faster than just saying "I'm owed money." Also, when you contact your senators, ask them to specifically request a "Congressional Inquiry Response" rather than just a general inquiry. Apparently there's a difference in how SSA prioritizes these. I really hope this gets resolved soon - 18 months is absolutely ridiculous for something that should be automatic. Keep fighting!

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This has been such an educational thread! I'm 68 and have been wondering about the timing for my own application in a couple years. One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been mentioned - does the month you were born in matter at all for the application timing? Like if someone turns 70 early in June vs late in June, would that affect when they should apply or their benefit start date? I want to make sure I understand all the nuances before my time comes. The advice about having documents ready and applying a couple weeks early seems really practical too.

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Great question about birth dates within the month! From what I understand, Social Security benefits are calculated on a monthly basis, so it doesn't matter if you're born on June 1st or June 30th - you're still considered to have reached age 70 for the entire month of June. Your benefit amount would be the same regardless of which day in June you were born. However, the specific day might affect when you can actually submit your application. I believe SSA allows you to apply up to 4 months before you want benefits to start, so if you're born late in June, you could potentially apply as early as February for June benefits. But if you're born early in June, you might want to wait a bit longer to avoid any confusion about your exact eligibility date. The key takeaway from this whole thread seems to be: apply close to when you turn 70, specify the month you turn 70 as your start date, and don't overthink the backdating rules unless you're applying late. The day within the month shouldn't complicate things too much!

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This entire discussion has been incredibly valuable! As someone who's 69 and turning 70 in August, I've been losing sleep over the backdating rules and timing. Reading through everyone's experiences and explanations has really put my mind at ease. What I'm taking away is that the backdating confusion mostly comes from people who wait too long after turning 70 to apply. Since I plan to apply right in August when I turn 70, I should just select August as my start month and not worry about backdating at all. One small thing I wanted to add - for anyone else in a similar boat, I called the SSA general number last week just to confirm my earnings record was accurate, and they mentioned that you can also check your benefit estimate online through your my Social Security account. It's helpful to know exactly what to expect before you apply, especially since we're all maxed out on delayed retirement credits at 70. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and knowledge here. This thread should definitely be pinned or saved as a reference for others approaching 70!

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I completely agree this thread should be saved as a reference! As someone who's completely new to Social Security planning (still in my early 60s), reading through everyone's real experiences has been so much more helpful than trying to decipher the official SSA website. The key insight that keeps coming up is that the backdating "problem" really only exists if you delay applying past 70 - which seems like an easy mistake to avoid once you know about it. It's also reassuring to see how many people successfully navigated this process by just applying right at 70. I'm definitely going to bookmark this discussion and probably re-read it when I get closer to my own 70th birthday. Thanks to everyone who shared their stories - it really helps to learn from people who've actually been through it rather than just reading government explanations that can be confusing!

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It's worth noting that any benefit increase from post-retirement earnings will likely be modest. This is because: 1. Only earnings that replace lower years in the top 35 will impact the calculation 2. The benefit formula gives less weight to higher earnings 3. Post-FRA recalculations don't include delayed retirement credits For example, if your father's recent $130K earnings replace a year where he earned $50K (after indexing), this might only increase his monthly benefit by $20-40. The exact amount depends on his complete earnings history. That said, even small increases add up over time, and if he's been missing these adjustments for years, the back pay could be substantial. Definitely worth pursuing.

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That makes sense - I'll make sure to set realistic expectations with him. Even $20-40 per month would be meaningful over time, especially with potential back payments. And it's simply what he's earned by continuing to contribute to the system for all these years.

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As someone who just went through this process with my own parent, I'd strongly recommend your dad also request a copy of his complete earnings record (Form SSA-7050) when he contacts them. This will show exactly which years are being used in his benefit calculation and help verify that his recent higher earnings are actually being counted. One thing that caught my attention - you mentioned he worked for the government before starting his consulting business. If any of his government work was under a different retirement system (like FERS or state retirement), make sure those earnings are properly credited to his Social Security record too. Sometimes there can be gaps or missing years that affect the calculation. Also, don't let them tell him that because he's past 70, recalculations don't matter. That's completely wrong - the recalculations should happen regardless of age as long as he's still working and paying FICA taxes.

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my aunt got remarried after her divorce but her 2nd husband died and then she WAS able to get benefits from her first husband (who was still alive). So I think the poster might be able to get her ex's benefits if something happened to her current husband. kind of a morbid thought but just sharing what happened in my family

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Yes, that's correct. If the current marriage ends (through death, divorce, or annulment), eligibility for ex-spouse benefits can be reinstated if all other requirements are met. This is an important point for planning purposes - while the current situation doesn't allow for ex-spouse benefits, circumstances could change in the future that would reopen that option.

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I'm sorry to hear your financial advisor gave you conflicting information - that must be really frustrating when you're trying to make important retirement decisions! The others have explained the remarriage rule correctly, but I wanted to add that you should definitely get your exact benefit estimates in writing from SSA before making any filing decisions. Since you mentioned you'll be 63 next month, remember that if you file for your own benefits before your full retirement age, they'll be permanently reduced. At 63, you'd get about 80% of your full benefit amount. Given that your estimated benefit at FRA is $1,800, filing at 63 would give you roughly $1,440/month. You might want to weigh whether waiting until your FRA (or even age 70 for maximum benefits) makes more financial sense for your situation. Also, don't forget that once your current husband files for his benefits, you may be eligible for spousal benefits on his record, which could potentially be higher than your own reduced benefit if you file early.

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This is such helpful advice about getting everything in writing from SSA! I've been burned before by getting different answers from different representatives. One question - when you mention spousal benefits on my current husband's record, would those be available even though he's 5 years younger and hasn't filed yet? I'm wondering if I should wait for him to file first, or if there's any strategy around the timing of our filings that could maximize our combined benefits.

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