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my sister got QI last yr and she got 2 payments in december just like theyre telling you! its normal

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I went through this exact same thing when I got approved for QI about 6 months ago! The double payment in the transition month is totally normal - you're not getting overpaid. The SSA rep was right. What happens is your October benefit gets paid on November 27th (your old schedule), then your November benefit gets paid on December 3rd (your new schedule). After that, you'll just get payments on the 3rd each month. The payment date change happens because when you qualify for QI, SSA has to adjust how they process your account since the state is now handling your Part B premium instead of deducting it from your Social Security. It's just an administrative thing. Definitely keep that letter they sent you - it's your proof that this change was authorized. And like others mentioned, your payment amount should be higher now since they're not taking out the Part B premium anymore. Mine went up by the full premium amount and it's been smooth sailing ever since!

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! This clarifies things a lot. It sounds like the best strategy is definitely for my husband to delay until 70 to maximize what I might receive as a survivor benefit later on. I'm also going to look into that service that was mentioned for when the time comes to actually deal with SSA. The stories about the difficulties getting through to them and getting the correct benefit calculated are concerning. One last question - does anyone know if there's a good way to estimate exactly what the survivor benefit would be? Is there a calculation tool on the SSA website I could use?

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The SSA has a survivor benefits calculator here: https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/survivors/survivorchartred.html However, for your specific situation (estimating a future benefit based on your husband delaying until 70), your best bet is to create a my Social Security account online if you haven't already. Once there, you can see your earnings record and benefit estimates. Your husband should do the same. His age 70 benefit estimate shown in his account would be approximately what you'd receive as a survivor benefit if you're at or past your FRA when you claim it. The calculator will also show what he'd receive at different claiming ages, including the higher amount at age 70.

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As someone who recently went through Social Security planning with my spouse, I can confirm what others have said - the survivor does get the deceased spouse's actual benefit amount at time of death, including any delayed retirement credits. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given: consider getting a consultation with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security optimization. They can run detailed scenarios for your specific situation and help you understand all the claiming strategies available. Sometimes there are nuances based on your exact ages, earnings histories, and other factors that generic advice might miss. Also, definitely keep good records of your husband's Social Security statements and benefit estimates if he does delay until 70. Having that documentation could save you headaches later when dealing with SSA to establish the correct survivor benefit amount.

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That's really good advice about consulting with a fee-only financial planner! I hadn't thought about the documentation aspect either - keeping records of his benefit statements when he delays until 70 makes a lot of sense given all the stories here about SSA calculation errors. Do you have any recommendations for finding a good Social Security specialist? I've heard some planners aren't as knowledgeable about the more complex claiming strategies, and with the significant difference in our benefits, I want to make sure we get this right.

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I'm dealing with a similar GPO situation and wanted to share what I learned from my experience. When you have a "suspended" status showing since 2018, that's typically just an administrative record created when you enrolled in Medicare through your spouse - it doesn't mean you were actually entitled to benefits then. From what I've gathered through my own research and calls to SSA, you're definitely limited to the 6-month retroactive payment from your January 2024 application date. The key is making sure they calculate your GPO reduction correctly (2/3 of your gross monthly pension) and that you explicitly request the maximum retroactive benefits allowed. One tip that helped me: when you call SSA, have your pension award letter ready and ask to speak with someone who specializes in GPO cases. The regular representatives often don't fully understand how GPO works with spousal benefits. Also, document everything - dates, names, what they told you - because you'll likely need to make multiple calls to get consistent information. Good luck with getting this sorted out! The whole process is frustrating but it sounds like you should be entitled to some benefits after the GPO reduction.

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Thank you for sharing your experience and those helpful tips! I really appreciate the advice about asking for someone who specializes in GPO cases - that's something I hadn't thought of. You're right that the regular representatives seem confused about how GPO works with spousal benefits. I've been documenting my calls but will make sure to be even more detailed going forward. It's reassuring to hear from others who've navigated this process successfully. I'll definitely have my pension award letter ready and be very specific about requesting the maximum retroactive benefits when I call again.

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I went through something very similar with GPO and retroactive benefits last year. The confusion about the "suspended" status is completely understandable - it's misleading because it makes you think you were entitled to benefits since 2018, but you're absolutely right that you can only get 6 months retroactive from your January 2024 application date. Here's what worked for me: I called SSA first thing in the morning (8 AM EST) and specifically asked to speak with someone experienced in GPO calculations. I had my state pension award letter, my husband's Social Security statement, and a calculator ready. The representative was able to walk through the GPO reduction (2/3 of my pension amount) and confirm my retroactive entitlement on the spot. One thing to watch out for - make sure they don't accidentally apply WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) instead of GPO to your case. Some representatives get these two provisions confused, but GPO applies to spousal/survivor benefits while WEP applies to your own retirement benefits. With your pension amount of $3,750/month, your GPO reduction would be about $2,500, so if your spousal benefit calculation is higher than that, you should receive the difference. Don't give up - persistence with SSA is key, and that retroactive payment can really add up!

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for breaking down the GPO calculation so clearly! I hadn't thought about the possibility of them confusing GPO with WEP, but that's a great point to watch out for. With my pension at $3,750/month, the GPO reduction would indeed be $2,500, and since my husband's spousal benefit calculation should be around $1,400 (half of his $2,800 PIA), I'm looking at potentially receiving nothing after the offset. But I want to make sure they calculate it correctly just in case. I really appreciate the tip about calling at 8 AM EST and asking specifically for someone experienced with GPO - I'll definitely try that approach. It's so reassuring to hear from someone who successfully navigated this process!

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Just wanted to add my experience as someone who went through this transition last year. I was incredibly anxious about the earnings limit too, especially since I had a good consulting opportunity that would put me well over any previous limits. I'm happy to report that everything everyone has said here is accurate - once you hit FRA, you're completely free from the earnings test. I've been earning significantly more than I ever did before retirement, and my SS benefits have remained exactly the same each month. The only "gotcha" was at tax time when I discovered that yes, a good portion of my benefits were taxable due to my higher income, but that's just regular income tax, not a reduction in benefits. Don't let anyone scare you with incorrect information - the SSA website is very clear on this, and it's one of the few things that actually works exactly as advertised!

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Thank you for sharing your real-world experience! This is exactly the kind of reassurance I was looking for. It's so helpful to hear from someone who actually went through this transition recently and can confirm that it works as promised. I really appreciate you taking the time to share the details about your consulting work and how it all played out. This gives me the confidence to move forward with my own plans without worrying about any hidden gotchas with the earnings limit.

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As someone who works in benefits administration (though not for SSA), I can confirm what others have said here. The earnings test completely disappears at Full Retirement Age for Social Security retirement benefits. I've seen so many people get confused by this because they mix up different concepts - earnings limits vs. taxation, SSI vs. retirement benefits, etc. Your neighbor might be thinking of the old rules from decades ago, or confusing it with other programs. The key thing to remember is that "earnings test" and "income taxation" are two totally different things. After FRA, there's no earnings test period, but your benefits may still be subject to regular income tax depending on your total income. The SSA has gotten much better at explaining this on their website over the years. Good luck with your application process!

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To answer your question about COLA timing: The official 2025 COLA will be announced in mid-October 2024 when the September 2024 CPI-W data is released. The increase (if any) will be applied to benefits beginning January 2025. You'll receive an official notice by mail in December 2024, and it will also appear in your my Social Security account in December if you have one set up. Based on current inflation trends, analysts are projecting a COLA between 2.5-3.1% for 2025, but that's just an estimate until the official announcement in October.

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only 3%?? with grocery prices going up like 20%?? what a joke

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Thanks for the clear explanation of the timeline! That helps me know when to expect legitimate information.

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As someone new to Social Security benefits, this is really eye-opening and scary! I had no idea these phishing scams were so common. Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences and the detailed advice about protecting ourselves. I'm definitely going to bookmark this thread and share it with my parents who are also on SS. It's amazing how these scammers target people during COLA announcement periods when we're all naturally more anxious about our benefits. I'll make sure to only ever go directly to ssa.gov and never click email links. Stay safe everyone!

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