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Becoming payee for mentally challenged sister's Social Security survivor benefits - need help with forms and banking

I'm trying to help my sister apply for Social Security survivor benefits after her husband's death last month. She has significant cognitive disabilities that make it impossible for her to manage finances on her own. They were married for about 13 years before he passed. I have so many questions about how to navigate this process: 1. What specific form do I need to file with SSA to become her official representative? I've heard about representative payee but don't know how to start that process. 2. She doesn't currently have a bank account, and I'm concerned she won't be able to understand banking procedures enough to open one. How can she receive her survivor benefits without an account? 3. If we do manage to set up an account, would I be listed as a joint account holder? Or is there a special type of account for this situation? 4. I've read that as a representative payee I'd need to track every penny of how her benefits are spent. What exactly does that involve? Do I need special software or forms? Any help is appreciated - I'm feeling overwhelmed trying to figure this all out while also dealing with her grief over losing her husband.

Royal_GM_Mark

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You'll need to apply to be her Representative Payee. There's no form to fill out in advance - you'll need to call SSA at 1-800-772-1213 to schedule an appointment. At the appointment, they'll have you complete Form SSA-11 (Request to Be Selected as Payee). As for banking, there are a few options: 1. Direct deposit to an account in her name with you as representative payee 2. Direct Express debit card if she can't have a bank account The account should be set up in HER name with you noted as representative payee - NOT as a joint account. The account title should read something like "Jane Smith, representative payee for Susan Jones." For tracking expenses, SSA will send you an annual Representative Payee Report (Form SSA-623). Keep receipts for major expenses and maintain a simple ledger of how funds are spent. The money must be used for her needs - housing, food, clothing, medical care, personal items, etc.

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Jeremiah Brown

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Thank you so much for this detailed information! I'll call that number tomorrow morning to schedule the appointment. One follow-up question - for the bank account setup, will I need to bring her with me to the bank when opening it? She gets very anxious in unfamiliar settings, so I'm trying to prepare her in advance if necessary.

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my brothers disabled to and i had such a nightmere with the bank!! make sure u get a seperate account for this its not supposed to be mixed with ur money at all. and keep ALL receipts even for small stuff, the ssa can audit u and make u pay back if u cant prove where it went. its a huge pain but better than her not getting benefits.

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Jeremiah Brown

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Oh no, that sounds stressful! Thanks for the warning about keeping the accounts separate - I definitely don't want to mess that up. Did you use a specific bank that was easier to work with for this situation?

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Chris King

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I'm a representative payee for my adult son with disabilities. Here's what you need to know: You'll need Form SSA-11 to become a representative payee, but you can't just download it. You must apply in person or by phone. SSA will interview you to determine if you're suitable. For banking, most major banks offer representative payee accounts. The account must be in your sister's name with you as the payee, something like "[Your Name], representative payee for [Her Name]." This keeps her funds separate from yours, which is absolutely required by SSA. As for tracking expenses, I keep a simple spreadsheet with categories for housing, food, clothing, medical, transportation, personal care, and recreation. Save receipts for large purchases. You'll need to file Form SSA-623 each year reporting how you spent the benefits. Most importantly, SSA will determine if you're the appropriate person to serve as payee. They prefer family members but will want to ensure you have her best interests at heart and understand the responsibilities.

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Rachel Clark

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did they ask for like backround checks or anything? i might need to do this for my mom soon and i had some credit issues in the past im nervous about

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Zachary Hughes

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dealing with SSA is TORTURE! i spent 6 weeks trying to reach someone about my own benefits, getting hung up on or waiting 3+ hours only to be disconnected! good luck getting through on that 800 number!!!!!

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Carter Holmes

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Just to clarify something important - survivor benefits and representative payee are two separate processes. First, your sister needs to apply for survivor benefits as the widow of the deceased. Then, you apply to be her representative payee. For the survivor benefits application, you'll need: - Death certificate - Marriage certificate showing 13 years of marriage - Her birth certificate and Social Security card - His Social Security number - Information about any other benefits she receives Since your sister has cognitive disabilities, SSA might also want documentation of her condition (medical records, diagnosis, etc.). The fact that they were married over 10 years is good - she qualifies for full survivor benefits if she's at least 60 years old (or 50 if disabled). If she's younger and caring for his child under 16, different rules apply.

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Jeremiah Brown

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Thank you for pointing out the two separate processes! She's 57 and has been diagnosed with an intellectual disability since childhood. I have her medical records and all the other documents you mentioned. Does her disability mean she can receive the survivor benefits earlier than 60?

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Carter Holmes

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Yes, since your sister has a documented disability, she can potentially receive survivor benefits as early as age 50 instead of 60. This falls under what SSA calls "disabled widow's benefits." Make sure to specifically mention that you're applying for disabled widow's benefits during the application process. They'll need medical evidence that her disability began before or within 7 years of her husband's death. One more thing to be aware of: if she receives any other benefits like SSI (Supplemental Security Income), the survivor benefits might affect those amounts. SSA will help calculate this during the application process.

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Jeremiah Brown

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This is extremely helpful information! She doesn't currently receive any benefits, but I'll make sure to specifically ask about disabled widow's benefits. I have documentation showing her disability diagnosis from childhood, so that requirement should be covered. Thank you again for your expertise!

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Rachel Clark

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my cousin has down syndrome and gets ss benefits. his mom is the payee person and she has to keep a notebook of everything she buys with his money. the social security office checks it sometimes randomly. they told her if she messes up they can make her pay it all back so be real careful!!

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thats right! my brother had a payee who was using his money wrong and now they making him pay back like $6000!!! the ssa dont play around with this stuff

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Royal_GM_Mark

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One more important tip regarding banking: When you set up the representative payee account, bring documentation from SSA that confirms your payee status. Most banks will require this documentation before setting up the special account structure. Also, you asked if your sister needs to be present when opening the account. Most banks will require her to be present since it's ultimately her account, but you can call ahead to explain the situation and see if they can make accommodations for her anxiety. Some banks are more experienced with representative payee situations than others, so you might want to call around to find one that's handled similar circumstances before. Regarding the record-keeping requirements, they're not as intimidating as they might sound. A simple notebook or basic spreadsheet with categories is sufficient, along with keeping receipts for major expenses. The annual reporting form is relatively straightforward - it asks for amounts spent on categories like housing, food, clothing, medical expenses, personal items, etc.

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Jeremiah Brown

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That's really helpful about bringing the SSA documentation to the bank. I'll definitely call ahead to find a bank that has experience with these situations. Hopefully they can accommodate her anxiety issues during the account setup. The record-keeping sounds manageable - I'm pretty organized with spreadsheets, so that shouldn't be too difficult once I get a system in place.

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Zachary Hughes

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another thing nobody mentioned is that if your sister gets survivor benefits it might mess up other benefits she has!!! my friend's daughter lost her medicaid when she started getting survivor benefits and it was a NIGHTMARE to fix!!! make sure you ask about this specifically!!!

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Chris King

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This is an important point. Survivor benefits are considered unearned income and can affect eligibility for means-tested programs like Medicaid and SNAP (food stamps). However, there are ways to manage this. Depending on her state, she might qualify for Medicaid under different eligibility criteria. If her assets become an issue, a Special Needs Trust could potentially help protect benefit eligibility while allowing access to funds for supplemental needs. I'd recommend contacting your state's disability services department or consulting with an attorney who specializes in disability benefits planning. Many offer free initial consultations and can provide guidance specific to your state's programs.

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