Confused about survivor benefits vs. representative payee after husband's death - SS payment missing
My father passed away in January and my mother (82) needs to apply for survivor benefits after 45 years of marriage. I'm trying to help her navigate this process but I'm completely confused about what the SSA rep told me. When I called SSA, they said I needed to become mom's "representative payee" and that we'd get an appointment letter in the mail for the local office. But I only want authorization to SPEAK to SSA on her behalf - not manage her money! Mom is perfectly capable of handling her finances. The rep insisted this "representative payee" designation is what I need, which doesn't sound right. Also, I checked mom's bank account this morning and her regular SS payment wasn't deposited, but oddly, my dad's payment WAS deposited. Is my mom supposed to get his payment now? I'm confused because I thought she needed to formally apply for survivor benefits first. SSA confirmed in January they recorded dad's death (mom received the $255 death benefit on Jan 20th). I've been on hold with SSA for almost 3 hours today trying to get answers. Any insights from those who've been through this process?
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Diego Fernández
You're absolutely right to be confused - the SSA rep gave you incorrect information. What you need is to be designated as your mother's "Appointed Representative" (Form SSA-1696), NOT a "Representative Payee." These are two completely different things: 1. Appointed Representative: Allows you to speak to SSA on her behalf, attend meetings, help with paperwork, etc. 2. Representative Payee: Receives and manages the beneficiary's payments when they cannot manage their own finances. As for the payments - if your father's payment was deposited after his death, SSA will likely request that money back. Your mother needs to apply for survivor benefits, which will generally be equal to your father's benefit if it was higher than her own. This doesn't happen automatically.
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Chloe Martin
•Thank you so much for clarifying! I KNEW something didn't sound right. Do you know if I can download the SSA-1696 form online and just mail it in? Or does she still need that in-person appointment? And should I call SSA back about that payment that showed up?
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Anastasia Kuznetsov
the payment thats in there now is probably his payment for last month since ss pays a month behind. they'll take that back eventually. my mom went thru this when my dad died just fyi
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Sean Fitzgerald
•Yep, SSA always pays one month behind. When my husband died, his final payment was for the previous month. They don't prorate either - if someone dies on the 30th day of a month, they get nothing for that month. Harsh system.
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Chloe Martin
So does my mom need to apply in person for the survivor benefits? The rep I spoke with was really confusing about this. I'm worried her income will drop if we don't get this figured out soon.
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Zara Khan
•Yes, survivor benefits typically require an appointment, though some initial application steps can be done online. However, given her age (82) and the complexity, an in-person appointment is probably best. Be aware: There's a time limit! She should apply within the first month of your father's passing to avoid losing any benefits. If it's been more than a month, apply immediately to minimize any lost payments. For the money that appeared in her account - if it's your father's regular monthly benefit, DO NOT SPEND IT. SSA will reclaim it through their reclamation process with the bank. This happens when a death is reported after the payment process has already begun for that month.
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MoonlightSonata
after my wife died I was on hold 4 HOURS trying to set up survivor benefits!!! worst experience of my life and I was still grieving!!!! the govt should be ASHAMED how they treat seniors!!
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Mateo Gonzalez
•I had the exact same experience after my husband died! I finally discovered a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual SSA agent in about 20 minutes instead of waiting for hours or getting disconnected. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU It was a lifesaver during such a stressful time. I was able to get my survivor benefits application started right away instead of spending days trying to reach someone.
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Nia Williams
Random question but is anyone else confused by all these different forms?? My aunt is trying to become rep for my uncle (he had stroke) and the SSA website is impossible to navigate!! Why do they make everything so complicated???
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Zara Khan
•That's a different situation. For someone who had a stroke and can't manage finances, the Representative Payee form is correct. For the original poster, who just wants to speak on behalf of a capable parent, the Appointed Representative form (SSA-1696) is needed. SSA's website is definitely confusing - I recommend calling and specifically asking for the "Title II Survivor Benefit Application" process and clarifying you want to be an "Appointed Representative" not a "Representative Payee."
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Anastasia Kuznetsov
just wondering but did they ask for the death certificate when u reported his death?? my friend had huge problems cuz she didnt have enough copies
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Chloe Martin
•Yes, we provided the death certificate when we reported his passing in January. They said it was recorded in their system. Good point though - we made sure to get extra copies because so many places require an original.
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Diego Fernández
Very important: For your mother's survivor benefits, make sure to emphasize to SSA that you're requesting the "RETIREMENT INSURANCE BENEFIT and WIDOW'S INSURANCE BENEFIT." For a widow at 82, she's entitled to either her own retirement benefit or a survivor benefit based on your father's record - whichever is HIGHER. Also, do NOT wait on that appointment letter if it's been more than a week. Call again and request an appointment date. With survivor benefits, every month you delay can potentially mean lost benefits.
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Chloe Martin
•Thank you for that specific terminology! I'll make sure to use those exact words. It's been about 10 days since they said we'd get an appointment letter, so I'll definitely call again.
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Sean Fitzgerald
When my mom passed, my dad had a similar issue. The SSA kept him on hold for hours. He eventually went directly to the local office and sat there all day, but got it resolved same-day. If you can physically go to the office with your mom, sometimes that's faster than phone calls.
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Chloe Martin
•That's a good suggestion. The local office is about an hour away, but it might be worth it just to get this sorted out. I'll see if mom feels up to making the trip.
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