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Should I start Social Security immediately after retiring if I'm no longer earning income?

I just retired on April 1st this year and I'm confused about when to start my Social Security benefits. I haven't applied yet because I've always heard delaying increases your benefit amount. But then I noticed something on the SS.gov website that's making me question everything. It says the benefit estimates are "based on your earnings to date and assume you continue to earn the same salary per year until you start your benefits." Well, now my salary is ZERO since I'm fully retired. So if I'm not working anymore, am I actually losing money by waiting to claim? If they're assuming I'm still earning my previous salary ($78,500/year) in their calculations but I'm actually earning nothing, does that mean my monthly SS amount won't actually increase by waiting? It feels like I might be leaving money on the table by delaying. Why do they keep telling us we're better off waiting for a higher monthly amount if the calculation isn't actually increasing once we stop working? Does anyone understand how this really works? Should I have filed for benefits the moment I retired?

i got so confused by all the conflicting advice that i just went to my local ss office and had them explain everything. took half a day but worth it. way better than trying to figure it out online.

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Just wanted to add my experience since I was in almost the exact same situation last year. I retired at 65 (my FRA) and was totally confused about whether to start benefits immediately or wait. After talking to a financial planner and doing my own research, I learned that the key thing is understanding that your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) is already locked in based on your work history - it doesn't change whether you're working or not. What DOES change is the delayed retirement credits if you wait past FRA. I ended up starting benefits at FRA because I wanted the peace of mind of getting something rather than gambling on living long enough to make waiting worthwhile. But if you're healthy and have good longevity in your family, those 8% annual increases until age 70 are pretty attractive. The main thing is that you're NOT losing money by delaying just because you stopped working. The SSA website language is confusing but the delayed credits are real regardless of your employment status.

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Social Security spousal benefits vs survivor benefits - confused about working after FRA

Hi everyone, trying to wrap my head around Social Security planning for me and my husband. If I understand right, when my husband claims at his Full Retirement Age, and I later claim at my FRA (I'm 3 years younger), I can get a "spousal top-up" if his benefit is larger than mine? And if he passes away later, would I then get his full benefit amount as a survivor? Can I still work full-time after claiming either benefit type without reduction? I keep getting confused between spousal vs. survivor rules and what happens with the earnings test after FRA. Thanks for any clarity!

Waiting until my FRA was definitely right for me because I was still earning good money and didn't want the penalty. Plus my husband's benefit was significantly higher than mine would have been so the spousal benefit was worth waiting for. Everyone's situation is different though!

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Just wanted to add one clarification that might help with your planning - when you're thinking about survivor benefits, keep in mind that if your husband delays claiming past his FRA (say until age 70), his benefit will grow by about 8% per year due to delayed retirement credits. If he passes away after that, your survivor benefit would be based on that higher amount, not just his original PIA. So his claiming strategy can significantly impact your potential survivor benefits down the road. Also, regarding the earnings test - it's worth noting that even if you claim benefits before your FRA and have earnings that reduce your monthly payments, those "withheld" benefits aren't lost forever. SSA will recalculate your benefit at FRA to give you credit for those months when benefits were reduced due to earnings. But once you hit FRA, it's a clean slate - work as much as you want with zero impact on benefits!

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Social Security Child-in-Care benefits denied for adult disabled son - SSA rep unfamiliar with requirements

I'm at my wits' end trying to apply for Child-in-Care (CIC) benefits with Social Security. My son (31) has a severe developmental disability and receives survivor benefits from his mother who passed away in 2019. He gets about $2,400/month which exceeds SSI limits, so he doesn't get SSI payments even though he's technically eligible. I just retired at 62 and had my phone appointment yesterday for CIC benefits, but it was a total disaster! The SSA rep had absolutely no idea what documentation I needed or how to process my application. After 45 minutes, I got nowhere and was told "someone will get back to you" (which I doubt). I know I'm eligible since I'm caring for my disabled adult son who receives benefits on his deceased mother's record. We were married when she died, and SSA processed her death certificate already because my son's benefits were converted to survivors right away. What specific documents should I have ready for my next appointment? And what specific questions should I ask to get through to someone who actually knows the CIC benefit rules? I'm worried they'll just keep bouncing me around between clueless representatives.

UPDATE: I finally got through to an SSA Technical Expert this morning! Used the Claimyr service that was suggested here and it worked great - I was connected to an agent in about 25 minutes. Once I specifically asked for a Technical Expert who handles disabled adult child cases and mentioned Section 202(b)(1)(B), they transferred me to someone who knew exactly what I was talking about. She confirmed I'm eligible for the CIC benefits and scheduled me for an in-person appointment next week to complete the application. She said to bring: - My ID and Social Security card - Marriage certificate - Documentation of my caregiving (doctor's letter) - My son's medical records (though she said they likely already have them) Thank you all for your help! I'll update again after my appointment.

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That's fantastic news! So glad the Claimyr service worked for you and you finally got connected to someone who understood CIC benefits. It's amazing how much of a difference it makes when you reach the right person who actually knows the rules. Your list of documents looks perfect - sounds like the Technical Expert really knew what she was talking about. The fact that she scheduled you for an in-person appointment is also a great sign since those tend to go much smoother for complex cases like yours. Thanks for sharing the update! This whole thread will be really helpful for other parents dealing with similar situations. Looking forward to hearing how your appointment goes next week. Fingers crossed everything gets processed smoothly from here!

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Will my child support income disqualify us from Social Security survivor benefits for my stepdaughter?

My husband died unexpectedly last month at 59. We're devastated and now I'm facing financial uncertainty. I haven't worked in about 3 years due to health issues, and his income was covering most of our household expenses. I have a 14-year-old daughter from my previous marriage who lived with us full-time, and my ex pays $1,720/month in child support. When I called Social Security about survivor benefits, they told me my stepdaughter could qualify since my late husband provided more than half of our household support. They also mentioned I might be eligible for mother's benefits until she turns 16. My husband had been working since he was 16 and I know he had reached his maximum Social Security earnings. But the SSA rep mentioned something about 'offsetting' the benefits based on the child support I receive. I'm worried that the child support might be too high and disqualify us completely. Does anyone know how much child support is 'too much'? Is there a specific income threshold that would make us ineligible? I'm scared to go through the whole application process only to be rejected. We really need this help right now.

One other thing worth mentioning - if your stepdaughter does qualify for survivor benefits, you'll need to determine who should be the payee for her benefits. Since your daughter's biological father is still in the picture and paying child support, this could potentially get complicated. SSA generally prefers the custodial parent (you in this case) to be the representative payee, but sometimes non-custodial parents contest this. Also, just to clarify a technical point - your husband reached his maximum Social Security earnings, which means he had good earnings that would translate to a higher benefit amount. This is different from reaching the maximum benefit amount, which would only happen if he had delayed retirement beyond his full retirement age (which wasn't applicable since he was only 59). Have you gathered your husband's last W-2 or tax return? That will help SSA calculate the benefit amounts more accurately.

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I have his tax returns for the last few years and his final pay stubs. I do have full physical custody of my daughter - her father only has visitation during school breaks. I hope that makes the payee situation more straightforward. Thank you for pointing this out as I hadn't even thought about that aspect.

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I'm so sorry for your loss. As someone who has helped many families navigate this process, I want to reassure you that the $1,720 monthly child support should NOT disqualify your stepdaughter from survivor benefits. The key factors working in your favor: - Your husband was the primary breadwinner covering most household expenses - Your daughter lived with you full-time (crucial for stepchild eligibility) - Housing, utilities, food, and other major expenses were largely covered by his income When SSA calculates the "one-half support" test, they look at TOTAL support costs - not just direct child expenses. If your husband's income covered your mortgage/rent, utilities, groceries, insurance, etc., his contribution to your daughter's support was likely well over 50% despite the child support. Some practical advice: 1. Apply ASAP - benefits can be retroactive but only for a limited time 2. Request a protective filing date on your first contact 3. Gather ALL documentation: bank statements, tax returns, household bills, proof of living arrangements 4. Don't forget about the $255 lump-sum death benefit Even if the child support reduces the benefit amount somewhat, you'll still likely qualify for substantial help. The family maximum benefit will determine the total payout, but partial benefits are still meaningful support during this difficult time. Many families in similar situations with child support income have successfully received survivor benefits. Don't let fear of rejection prevent you from applying - you need and deserve this assistance.

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Finally reached SSA for survivor benefits by saying 'speak to a live person' - interview scheduled!

After weeks of trying, I FINALLY figured out how to get through the Social Security phone system! Every time I called before, I'd get trapped in that endless automated loop and could never get the option to speak with an actual person. Today out of desperation, I literally said 'speak to a live person' and it worked immediately! The system told me the wait was over 2 hours (!!), so I selected the callback option, figuring they'd never actually call me back. Well, they did call - at 6:45pm! I almost missed it because I realized my phone was automatically blocking 'unknown callers' through my Verizon settings. The agent was super helpful and scheduled my survivor benefits application interview for December 9th - WAY sooner than the February date I was expecting after reading other posts here. For anyone struggling to get through: 1) Try saying exactly 'speak to a live person' to the automated system 2) Check your phone settings to make sure you're not blocking unknown numbers that might be SSA calling back. There's hope! And remember to thank these overworked agents... I made sure to tell the woman who called me that I appreciated her staying late to return calls.

The REAL problem is that the SSA is DELIBERATELY understaffed!! They've closed over 60 field offices since 2010 while the number of beneficiaries has INCREASED by millions! And their phone system is from the stone age! They WANT to make it hard for us to get our benefits because every day you're delayed is money they keep!! I spent THREE MONTHS trying to get my widows benefits straightened out after they miscalculated my payment. THREE MONTHS of calling and getting disconnected! It's not an accident the system is this broken!

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I understand your frustration, but I don't think it's a deliberate conspiracy. My daughter works for SSA and they're just severely underfunded. Their computer systems are from the 1980s and they can't hire enough staff. She regularly works overtime trying to help people get their benefits. The real issue is Congress not giving them enough funding to modernize and hire more people.

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OF COURSE someone who works for SSA would say that!! Wake up! They're sitting on a $2.8 TRILLION trust fund but can't afford to answer the phone?? I don't buy it!!!

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Regarding your survivor benefits interview, make sure you understand the rules about the earnings limit if you're still working. For 2025, if you're under Full Retirement Age and earn more than $22,300, they'll deduct $1 from benefits for every $2 you earn above that limit. Also, are you aware that you can apply for survivor benefits online now? They've recently expanded their online services. Might be easier than the phone interview process. And good job being kind to the representative! As someone who worked in government services for years, I can tell you that a little kindness goes a long way when staff are overwhelmed.

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Maya Diaz

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I tried the online application but got stuck when it asked for information about my husband's previous marriages. He was married briefly in his 20s (we're in our 60s now) and I don't have any of those records. The online system wouldn't let me proceed without them, so I figured a phone interview would be easier to explain my situation.

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That makes total sense - the online system can be really rigid about required fields. During your phone interview, they should be able to work around missing information about previous marriages, especially if it was decades ago. They have access to more records than what's available through the online portal. The agent can also put notes in your file explaining what documentation you have versus what you don't have access to. You made the right call going with the phone interview for your specific situation!

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