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I'm trying to understand how the Windfall Elimination Provision might affect my situation. My husband was a firefighter who first paid into a government pension for 8 years, then switched careers and paid into Social Security for almost 15 years before he passed away in 2021. I'm currently 57 and started receiving his pension benefits plus a reduced widow's benefit from Social Security when I turned 55. I've noticed my SS check seems lower than expected - only about $1125 monthly when his estimated benefit would have been around $2100. I've heard about WEP but don't fully understand if that's why my benefit is reduced or if there are other factors. Will my widow's benefit amount increase when I reach my full retirement age? The SSA representative I spoke with briefly mentioned something about Government Pension Offset but didn't explain clearly how it affects widow benefits. Has anyone dealt with this complicated pension/SS situation?
I'm currently 61 and receiving Social Security benefits because I have custody of my disabled adult son (he's 25 with severe autism). I believe these are called Child-in-Care (CIC) benefits. I'm worried about what happens when I turn 62 in a few months. Will Social Security automatically convert me to early retirement benefits at a reduced rate? I'd rather wait until my Full Retirement Age (66 and 10 months) to get my full benefit amount, but someone told me I won't have a choice. Can I continue receiving the CIC benefits until I reach my FRA? I don't want to be forced into a permanent reduction if I don't have to be. Has anyone dealt with this situation before?
I just remembered something else - if your disabled son gets SSI or SSDI himself, that's separate from your benefits! Don't get those confused when your talking to SS people. My nephew gets SSDI payments AND his mom was getting the parent benefits too. Totally different things!
I'm dealing with a similar situation and wanted to share what I learned from my experience. I turned 62 last year while receiving child-in-care benefits for my disabled daughter. Here's what actually happened: SSA sent me a letter about 2 months before my 62nd birthday explaining that I was becoming eligible for retirement benefits, but it clearly stated this was informational only - not a requirement to switch. They automatically did the benefit comparison that others mentioned, and since my CIC benefit was higher than my reduced retirement would be, they kept me on the child-in-care benefits. The key thing I discovered: make sure your son's disability status is current in their system! They had to reverify his condition as part of the process, which delayed things by a few weeks. If his disability determination is old or needs updating, start that process now. Also, I found it helpful to create a my Social Security account online if you don't already have one. You can see your benefit estimates there and track any changes to your case. Much easier than trying to get through on the phone for basic information. You're in a good position since your CIC benefit is higher than your potential early retirement benefit. Just stay on top of the paperwork and don't let anything lapse!
I started receiving my Social Security retirement benefits in March 2024 at age 65 (before my full retirement age). I'm doing part-time bookkeeping and payroll work, and I'm trying to stay under the annual earnings limit. My regular wages will be about $22,000 for 2024, which is under the $22,320 limit. But I also received a $9,000 bonus in May and just got a $1,500 Christmas bonus. Are these bonuses counted toward the earnings limit? My W-2 will show everything combined, but I'm worried about having to pay back some of my SS benefits if the bonuses push me over. As long as my W-2 shows less than $22,320 total for the year, am I OK? Or do they look at different types of income separately?
I'm new to this community but dealing with a similar situation. I just turned 62 and started collecting early retirement benefits while working part-time. Reading through all these responses has been really eye-opening - I had no idea that ALL work earnings count toward the limit, including bonuses and overtime pay. It sounds like the key takeaway is to be proactive about reporting earnings estimates to SSA rather than waiting for them to discover the overage when W-2s are processed. That way you can avoid the shock of a big overpayment notice later. One question for those who've been through this - when they adjust your future payments to account for excess earnings, do they spread the reduction over the remaining months of the year, or do they sometimes just stop payments entirely for a few months?
This is exactly why I tell everyone to be super careful about the earnings limit! I learned this the hard way when I first started collecting benefits at 62. The thing that really caught me off guard was that vacation payouts and even unused sick leave payments count toward the limit too - not just regular wages and bonuses. One tip that helped me: I started keeping a running total of my earnings throughout the year in a simple spreadsheet. I include every paycheck, bonus, overtime, etc. That way I can see where I stand at any point and avoid surprises. Some employers will also let you defer bonuses to the next year if you ask early enough, which can be helpful for managing the limit. The good news is that once you get the hang of tracking everything and planning ahead, it becomes much more manageable. And like others mentioned, you're not permanently losing that money - it's just being redistributed to increase your future monthly payments after FRA.
@b92fc0aa5e6d might know more about this, but from what I've read, severance pay can be tricky with the earnings limit. It depends on when the severance is considered "earned" - if it's for work you already performed, it typically counts toward the earnings limit for the year you receive it. However, if it's truly severance (payment in lieu of future work), the rules can be different. Given how complex these situations can get, I'd definitely recommend calling SSA directly to discuss your specific circumstances before making any decisions about filing early. The last thing you want is an unexpected overpayment situation on top of dealing with a layoff!
Great question about severance pay! Unfortunately, it depends on how the severance is structured. If it's payment for work you already performed (like unused vacation or accumulated benefits), it typically counts toward the earnings limit in the year you receive it. However, if it's truly severance pay that's not tied to specific work performed, it might not count. The tricky part is that different types of severance packages are handled differently by SSA. I'd definitely recommend calling them to ask about your specific situation before making any decisions about filing early. Given how hard it can be to reach them, you might want to try that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier if you need to get through quickly!
I'm completely lost trying to figure out whether to pursue disability or just take early retirement at 62. Had three separate heart episodes in the past 8 months (two hospitalizations and one emergency stent procedure). My cardiologist basically said going back to my high-stress marketing director job would be playing with fire. I've been out of work for 4 months now using up sick leave and short-term disability from work, but that's running out. I keep hearing conflicting info about whether filing for SSDI at 62 is even worth it versus just taking early retirement benefits. Does anyone know if SSDI would actually give me my full retirement amount instead of the reduced early retirement? My monthly benefit would be about $2,350 at full retirement age (67), but only about $1,650 if I take early retirement now. Also terrified about the whole SSDI application process. How brutal is it with cardiac issues? Anyone successfully navigate this? My savings won't last forever and I'm starting to panic.
For Medicare with SSDI, there's a 24-month waiting period from your SSDI entitlement date (usually 5 months after onset). However, this is where your age helps - if you're already 65 when the waiting period ends, you'll get Medicare immediately. At 62, you'd likely still have some waiting time. One important note: If you take early retirement while waiting for SSDI, make sure you don't earn over the annual earnings limit (about $21,240 for 2025) or your benefits will be reduced. Once on SSDI, this earnings limit no longer applies, but you'd be subject to SSDI's substantial gainful activity (SGA) limits instead, which are actually more favorable for most people.
I went through this exact situation 3 years ago at age 63 after my second heart attack. Here's what I wish someone had told me from the start: The dual approach (early retirement + SSDI application) is absolutely the way to go, but make sure you document EVERYTHING. Keep copies of all your medical records, get letters from your cardiologist specifically about work restrictions, and don't let anyone pressure you into "trying to go back to work" if your doctor says it's unsafe. One thing I learned the hard way - when filling out the SSDI application, focus heavily on your worst days, not your best days. They want to know what you CAN'T do consistently, not what you might be able to do on a good day. Describe how far you can walk before getting chest pain, how lifting anything over 10-15 pounds affects you, how you need to rest frequently. Also, cardiac conditions can be tricky because they're not always "visible" disabilities. Make sure your application clearly explains how unpredictable your symptoms are and how that makes it impossible to maintain regular employment. The fact that your doctor said returning to high-stress work would be "playing with fire" is HUGE - get that in writing if you haven't already. Don't get discouraged if you get an initial denial. I was approved on reconsideration, and the extra $700/month compared to early retirement has made all the difference in my quality of life.
I'm getting close to retirement age and trying to figure out this whole Social Security benefit situation. How do I determine whether it would be better for me to claim based on my own work record or my wife's Social Security record? Is this something Social Security automatically calculates, or do I need to specifically request both calculations? My wife is 2 years older than me and hasn't applied for benefits yet, but she did create her mySocialSecurity account and indicated she plans to retire in the next year or two. Does that impact when or how I should apply? I'm really confused about the whole spousal benefit process and want to make sure we're maximizing what we can receive. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
my cousin works for ssa and told me they NEVER automatically give you spousal benefits you have to ask for them specifically!!!! the computer doesn't just figure it out. when i applied i told them i wanted to compare my benefit to my husbands spousal amount and the difference was only $31 more for spousal but still that adds up over time!!!
Just went through this exact situation myself last year! One thing I learned that might help - you can actually create estimates on the SSA website using both scenarios before you apply. Go to ssa.gov and log into your mySocialSecurity account, then use their benefit calculators to get rough estimates of your own benefit vs what 50% of your wife's would be. But here's the key thing everyone's mentioned - your wife absolutely MUST file for her own benefits first before you can claim spousal benefits on her record. That notification she did online is just for planning, not an actual application. Also, consider this timing strategy: if your wife's benefit is higher and she's already 2 years older, she could file at her FRA to start receiving benefits, then when you reach your FRA you could file for whichever is higher (your own or spousal). Just don't file early unless you absolutely need the money, because any reduction is permanent. The online calculators won't be perfect, but they'll give you a ballpark idea of which direction to lean before you deal with trying to get someone on the phone at SSA!
Tami Morgan
Thank you all for the helpful information! I spoke with SSA this morning (after trying for days) and learned that my situation is primarily affected by: 1) the early retirement reduction since I'm only 57, and 2) a modified WEP calculation because of my husband's mixed career. The agent confirmed there is a special WEP provision that limits the reduction for survivors, which might mean I'm eligible for an adjustment. They're sending me a detailed explanation of the calculation by mail and scheduled a follow-up with a Technical Expert. I'll update once I know more in case it helps anyone else navigating this complicated situation.
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Douglas Foster
So glad you got some answers! Please do update us. The survivor benefits with all these special provisions are so complicated, and it helps to hear real experiences. When my husband passed, it took me almost 8 months of back and forth to get the correct benefit amount!
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Omar Farouk
This is such valuable information for anyone dealing with mixed government/Social Security careers! I'm currently helping my sister navigate a similar situation after her husband (a postal worker for 10 years, then private sector for 18 years) passed last year. The SSA reps we've spoken with have given conflicting information about WEP vs GPO, and it's been incredibly frustrating. Your experience confirms what I suspected - that there are special protections for survivors that aren't well-known or consistently explained. I'm definitely going to have her specifically ask about the WEP limitation for survivors and request a Technical Expert appointment. Thank you for taking the time to share your journey and promise to update - it really helps those of us trying to figure out these complex rules!
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