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I'm so sorry you're dealing with this nightmare! As someone who has navigated similar SSA bureaucratic messes, I wanted to share a few things that might help: First, DEFINITELY file that SSA-632 waiver form that others mentioned - you have a strong case since this was clearly their system error, not anything you did wrong. Second, I'd suggest keeping a detailed log of every interaction you have with SSA going forward. Write down dates, times, who you spoke with, and exactly what was said. This documentation becomes crucial if you need to escalate or appeal. Also, consider reaching out to your local congressperson's office. They often have staff who specialize in helping constituents with federal agency issues like this. Sometimes a call from a congressional office can get things moving faster than months of individual effort. The fact that they're acknowledging he qualifies for adult disabled child benefits AND that they owe him back payments suggests they know they messed up. Don't let them intimidate you into just accepting this overpayment - you have rights and options here. Stay strong - this kind of bureaucratic mess is frustrating beyond words, but it IS fixable with persistence!
Thank you so much for this comprehensive advice! I hadn't thought about contacting my congressperson's office - that's brilliant. I've been feeling so overwhelmed and like I'm fighting this huge bureaucracy alone, but you're right that there are people whose job it is to help with exactly these situations. I'm definitely going to start keeping that detailed log you mentioned. I've already had several phone calls about this and wish I had written everything down from the beginning. The part about them acknowledging they owe him back payments while claiming we owe them money really does seem like they're admitting their mistake. I'm going to push hard on that angle when I file the waiver form. Thanks for the encouragement - I really needed to hear that this is fixable!
This situation sounds incredibly stressful, and I'm sorry you're dealing with SSA's bureaucratic mess! As a newcomer here, I wanted to add that you should also ask about requesting an "Administrative Review" of the overpayment determination itself - this is separate from the waiver request and challenges whether the overpayment calculation is even correct in the first place. Given that they're saying this goes back to 2018 but your son only turned 18 in 2021, there's clearly something wrong with their timeline. An administrative review can force them to show their work on how they calculated these amounts. Also, while you're gathering documentation, try to get copies of ALL benefit award letters and payment records for your son from 2018 forward. Sometimes SSA's notices reference the wrong time periods or mix up different types of benefits. Having your own paper trail will help you challenge any errors. The good news is that multiple people here have dealt with similar situations and gotten them resolved - you're definitely not alone in this fight!
That's not quite right. If you expect to earn over the limit, you should report your estimated earnings to SSA right away. They'll reduce your benefits proactively throughout the year. If you don't report it, and they discover later (through tax records) that you earned over the limit, they'll send you an overpayment notice and you'll have to pay back the excess benefits. Much better to have them withhold correctly from the start!
I'm in a similar situation - turning 62 soon and trying to figure out the best strategy. One thing I learned from my research is that you should also consider the tax implications. If you're working and collecting SS, your benefits might become taxable depending on your "combined income" (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits). For single filers, if combined income is over $25,000, up to 50% of benefits are taxable. Over $34,000 and up to 85% can be taxable. This could affect your overall financial picture even if you stay under the earnings limit.
Wow, I hadn't even thought about the tax implications! That's a really important point. With my bookkeeping income of $22,000 plus pension of $18,000, plus whatever I'd get from SS at 62 (probably around $1,500/month), I might be looking at some of my benefits being taxable. Do you know if there are any strategies to minimize this tax hit, or is it just something you have to factor into the overall decision?
Great job helping your sister navigate this complex situation! Just wanted to add one more important detail - make sure she asks specifically about the "child-in-care" provision when she goes to her appointment. Sometimes SSA representatives aren't immediately familiar with this rule and might initially tell her she'll get reduced benefits at 62. If she gets pushback, she can reference POMS RS 00615.201 which covers divorced spouse benefits with child in care. Also, bring a copy of the child's current benefit award letter showing he's receiving benefits on his father's record - this helps establish the connection quickly. Good luck with the appointment!
This is such valuable advice! I've seen too many cases where people miss out on benefits they're entitled to simply because the SSA rep they spoke with wasn't familiar with the specific rules. Having that POMS reference number ready is brilliant - it shows you know what you're talking about and helps guide them to the right information. Also, bringing multiple forms of documentation is smart since different reps sometimes ask for different things. Your sister is lucky to have you advocating for her through this process!
This is incredibly helpful information for anyone dealing with divorced spouse benefits! I'm actually in a similar situation but my ex hasn't filed for his benefits yet and I'm 59. From reading these comments, it sounds like I need to wait until either he files OR I reach 62 AND we've been divorced for at least 2 years to potentially qualify under the independent entitlement rule. My disabled son is 14 and gets benefits on his father's record already. Does anyone know if there are any other requirements I should be aware of for when I do become eligible? The marriage duration requirement, etc.? I want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row when the time comes.
One thing nobody mentioned - if you're still working, the earnings limit might affect your benefits until you reach full retirement age. For 2025, if you're under FRA the entire year, you lose $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above $22,900 (approximately). Something to factor into your decision if you're still employed.
This is such a helpful thread! As someone who will likely face this decision in a few years, I'm taking notes on all the strategies mentioned here. The fact that you were able to get through to SSA using Claimyr in just 15 minutes is amazing - I've bookmarked that service for when I need it. One question for the group: does anyone know if there are any good resources (books, websites, etc.) that explain all these widow/widower benefit strategies in plain English? The SSA publications are so technical and confusing. It seems like there are a lot of nuances that aren't well publicized.
Great question! I've been researching this topic extensively myself. A few resources I've found helpful: the AARP website has some good articles that break down Social Security strategies in plain language, and there's a book called "Get What's Yours" by Laurence Kotlikoff that covers a lot of these scenarios. Also, many local libraries have free AARP tax help volunteers during tax season who are often knowledgeable about Social Security - they might be able to point you toward additional resources. The National Academy of Social Insurance website also has some clearer explanations than the official SSA publications.
Eli Butler
I'm sorry to hear about your health challenges, Charlie. Unfortunately, the other commenters are correct - you cannot switch to SSDI after reaching your Full Retirement Age. However, I'd strongly encourage you to follow up on that benefit recalculation suggestion! Since you worked part-time until recently, those earnings from ages 62-67 might have increased your benefit amount. SSA is supposed to automatically recalculate annually, but sometimes they miss it or there are delays. Call them and specifically ask for a "benefit recalculation" based on your recent work history. Even a small increase would help with your medical expenses. Also, make sure to check if you qualify for any Medicare assistance programs for your arthritis medications - every little bit helps when you're on a fixed income.
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Jamal Carter
•This is really helpful advice, thank you Eli! I had no idea that working part-time after claiming early retirement could potentially increase my benefit amount. I always assumed once you started receiving benefits, that was it. I'm definitely going to call SSA tomorrow and ask specifically about a benefit recalculation. And yes, I'll look into the Medicare assistance programs too - with these medical conditions, every dollar counts. Thanks for taking the time to explain this!
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Mateo Martinez
I'm a disability advocate and wanted to add some additional perspective here. While everyone is correct that you cannot switch to SSDI after FRA, I want to emphasize how important it is to pursue that benefit recalculation that others mentioned. I've seen cases where people who worked even part-time after claiming early retirement got meaningful increases - sometimes $50-100+ per month - which really adds up over time. Also, given your rheumatoid arthritis and degenerative disc disease, please make sure you're aware of all the disability-related assistance programs available through Medicare, Medicaid (if you qualify), and your state. Many people don't realize there are programs specifically for medication costs, medical equipment, and even home modifications. Your local Area Agency on Aging can be a great resource for navigating these programs. Don't let the early retirement penalty discourage you from getting every benefit you're entitled to!
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