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I just logged into my MySocialSecurity account today and noticed something really concerning that wasn't there during my previous logins. There's now a page stating "YOU HAVE EARNINGS NOT COVERED BY SOCIAL SECURITY" with information about WEP and GPO! I'm completely confused because this definitely doesn't apply to me. I've spent my entire 31-year career working in automotive manufacturing plants where I've always paid Social Security taxes. I've never worked for a state or local government, never been a teacher in a non-covered district, and never worked for the railroad or federal civil service. I literally have no idea why this warning suddenly appeared on my account. I already signed up for Medicare Parts A and B (just got my verification letter today), but I'm planning to delay my Social Security retirement benefits until I reach my full retirement age in 2026. Could the Medicare enrollment have triggered something weird in the system? Should I be worried about this? Do I need to contact the SSA to get this removed from my record? I'm concerned this could affect my future benefit calculations if it's not corrected. Has anyone else experienced something similar?
I'm really confused about an email I just got from SSA about the WEP/GPO elimination under the Fairness Act. The email says I need to verify my mailing address and direct deposit info on the MySocialSecurity portal, but when I log in, there's no obvious place to do this verification they're talking about. They're also asking if there were any changes to my pension amount between January 2022 and December 2023, including dates and amounts of changes. Well, I got normal COLA increases during that period like everyone else - is that what they mean? And if so, where exactly am I supposed to submit this information? Through the message center? I retired from teaching after 26 years and also worked enough quarters in the private sector to qualify for SS, but I've been getting hit with both WEP and GPO reductions for years. This change would mean about $450 more per month for me, so I don't want to mess it up! Has anyone else received this email and figured out what we're supposed to do?
Just wanted to add my experience - I'm a retired postal worker and got hit with the same scam email about 2 weeks ago. What really bothered me was how detailed it was - they knew I was affected by WEP and even mentioned my approximate benefit reduction amount. I called SSA directly (waited 3 hours but finally got through) and the agent confirmed it was a scam. She said they've had a huge uptick in these targeted phishing attempts against public service retirees in the last few months. The scammers are definitely doing their homework to make these emails look legitimate. The agent also told me that when ANY major legislation affecting WEP/GPO passes, SSA will send multiple official paper notices by mail before any changes take effect. They would never rely on email for something this significant. Stay vigilant everyone!
Wow, thank you everyone for the quick responses - I feel so much better knowing this was a scam! I was getting my hopes up that the Fairness Act had finally passed. I've already forwarded the email to oig.dsc@ssa.gov and changed my MySocialSecurity password as recommended. It's really disturbing how these scammers are specifically targeting us public service retirees who are already struggling with WEP/GPO reductions. They clearly know exactly what buttons to push to get our attention. I'm going to warn my former colleagues at the school district about this scam since they're probably being targeted too. Does anyone know if there are any legitimate updates we can sign up for to track the actual progress of the Social Security Fairness Act? I'd love to stay informed without falling for more scams like this.
For tracking legitimate updates on the Social Security Fairness Act, I'd recommend checking congress.gov directly - you can search for H.R.82 and set up email alerts for any action on the bill. The National Association of Retired Federal Employees (NARFE) and other public employee organizations also send out legitimate updates when there's real movement on WEP/GPO legislation. Just be super careful about any emails that ask you to take immediate action or provide personal info - legitimate advocacy groups will never do that!
I just checked my bank account and found a random $150 deposit from Social Security today. This is completely separate from my regular monthly benefit payment (which I'm still expecting to receive on schedule). My husband is also on Social Security, but he didn't get this mysterious extra payment. I've tried calling the SSA but couldn't get through to a real person. Has anyone experienced something similar? Should I be worried they'll realize it's a mistake and take it back? Or is this some kind of adjustment or special payment I wasn't aware of?
UPDATE: I finally got through to someone at SSA! The $150 was indeed a one-time adjustment related to my earnings record from 2023. Apparently when they processed my tax return information, they found I was eligible for a slightly higher benefit for part of the year. My husband didn't get one because his benefit amount wasn't affected by the earnings update. Mystery solved! And yes, my regular payment came through on schedule too. Thanks everyone for your help!
Thanks for sharing the update! This is really helpful information for others who might experience the same thing. I'm dealing with a similar situation with my elderly mother's benefits - she got an unexpected payment last month and we've been trying to figure out what it was for. Based on your experience, I'll suggest she check if it might be related to her 2023 tax information. It's reassuring to know these adjustments do happen and aren't necessarily errors. Glad you were able to get through to someone at SSA - that's half the battle these days!
I'm completely confused about spousal benefits with my CalPERS pension! I'm 67 years old and my husband is 68. He started collecting his Social Security when he was 62, but I've been working for the state and have a CalPERS retirement. I never earned enough Social Security credits on my own - only have 21 quarters of coverage. I know there's that Government Pension Offset (GPO) thing, but does it completely eliminate spousal benefits? Can I claim ANY amount based on my husband's record? I've gotten different answers from friends and am not sure what to believe. Would really appreciate if someone could explain this in simple terms!
Just wanted to chime in as someone who went through this exact situation a few years ago. I was a CalPERS retiree with only 23 quarters of Social Security coverage, and like you, I initially got zero spousal benefits due to GPO. However, I'd strongly recommend following up on what @698cf40d106d and @e25bcdc944e7 mentioned about verifying if your CalPERS service is actually subject to GPO. This is crucial! If you worked in a position where Social Security taxes WERE deducted from your pay (which did happen for some California state positions, especially in later years), then GPO wouldn't apply to you at all. I spent months assuming I got nothing, only to discover later that a portion of my state service was actually covered by Social Security. It took some digging through old records, but I was eventually able to claim a reduced spousal benefit. Don't give up just yet - get a complete earnings statement from SSA and verify with CalPERS exactly which years (if any) had Social Security coverage. The rules are complex, but it's worth double-checking before you close the book on this!
This is incredibly helpful information! @1cf47ef3fdf0 thank you for sharing your experience - it gives me hope that maybe I shouldn't give up yet. I'm definitely going to follow up on this Social Security coverage verification. Looking back, I do remember there were some changes to state employment policies over the years, and I worked for California from 1985 to 2020, so it's possible some of those later years might have had Social Security deductions. I never paid close attention to exactly what was being taken out of my paycheck beyond the obvious CalPERS contributions. I'll contact both SSA and CalPERS to get the complete picture of my earnings history. Even if only a portion of my service was covered by Social Security, that could make all the difference with the GPO calculation. Thanks to everyone for not letting me give up too quickly on this!
@71c79734e414 You're absolutely right to pursue this further! California state employment had some complex Social Security coverage rules over the decades. Many CalPERS members are surprised to learn that certain positions or time periods were actually covered by Social Security. Here's what I'd recommend for your verification process: 1. Request a detailed Social Security Statement online at ssa.gov - this will show ALL earnings where SS taxes were paid, year by year 2. Contact CalPERS member services and ask specifically about Social Security coverage for your positions and employment dates 3. If you still have any old pay stubs from different years, check if OASDI (Social Security) taxes were deducted The key thing to remember is that if ANY portion of your government service was covered by Social Security, it changes the GPO calculation significantly. Even partial coverage could result in you receiving some spousal benefits rather than zero. Given that you worked 35 years (1985-2020), there's a real possibility that at least some of those years included Social Security coverage. California made various changes to state employee Social Security participation over that time period, so don't assume it was all non-covered employment. Keep us posted on what you find out - your situation could help other CalPERS retirees who might be in similar circumstances!
Great question @8d8ea0c91f77! You're absolutely right that tracking SS coverage while actively working is much smarter than waiting until retirement. Here are some key misconceptions I see regularly: 1. "All government work is non-covered" - Not true! Many positions, especially newer hires or certain job classifications, do pay into Social Security 2. "GPO eliminates ALL spousal benefits" - Only true if your pension is large enough. Smaller pensions might still allow partial benefits 3. "You can't get both a government pension AND Social Security" - Actually, you can get both, but they may be reduced by GPO/WEP For current employees, I'd recommend: - Check your pay stub every year to see if OASDI taxes are being deducted - Create a my Social Security account at ssa.gov to monitor your earnings record annually - Ask HR about your specific position's Social Security coverage status - Keep detailed records of any job changes or reclassifications The earlier you understand your coverage status, the better you can plan. Some people even make strategic career decisions based on Social Security coverage when they're close to qualifying for benefits but not quite there yet. Also remember that Social Security rules change over time, so what was true 10 years ago might not apply today!
@8d8ea0c91f77 Great questions! You're absolutely right that there are many misconceptions about GPO and WEP. Here are some common ones I've encountered: 1. "All government pensions trigger GPO" - Not true! Only pensions from employment where Social Security taxes weren't paid trigger GPO 2. "GPO eliminates ALL spousal/survivor benefits" - Sometimes, but not always. The 2/3 reduction might still leave some benefit 3. "You can't get your own SS benefit if you have a government pension" - Wrong! You just need 40 quarters of SS-covered work, regardless of other pensions For current government employees, I'd recommend: - Check your annual Social Security Statement at ssa.gov to see what earnings are being credited - Look at your pay stubs to verify if OASDI taxes are being deducted - Ask HR about your specific position's Social Security coverage status - Consider working part-time in SS-covered employment if you're close to 40 quarters The key is being proactive rather than waiting until retirement. Many people could make strategic decisions during their careers if they understood these rules earlier. Knowledge is power when it comes to retirement planning!
Hi everyone, I finally applied for my Social Security retirement benefits in September 2024, even though I could have started at my Full Retirement Age back in March. I received my first payment in October and my January 2025 deposit just hit my account today. I'm trying to figure out when I'll see the Delayed Retirement Credit (DRC) increase in my monthly amount. Since I waited 6 months past my FRA, I should be entitled to a 4% increase (0.67% per month for 6 months). But my benefit amount hasn't changed yet. I've heard that SSA does these DRC calculations in January for the previous year, unless you wait until 70 when they apply it immediately. Does anyone know how long it typically takes them to process these increases after January? Will I see the 4% bump in my February payment, or does it sometimes take several months for them to make these adjustments? I've tried calling but keep getting disconnected after waiting forever. Any insights from those who've been through this would be really appreciated!
Thanks for sharing your experience and the update! It's really helpful to see how this process works in real-time. I'm in a similar situation - delayed my benefits for 5 months past FRA and started collecting in November 2024. Based on what everyone's saying here, it sounds like I should expect to see my DRC increase sometime between February and April. One question for those who've been through this - when you got your retroactive payments, did they show up as a separate deposit or was it just rolled into your regular monthly payment? I want to make sure I don't miss it when it comes through. Also, @aa0a55660898 definitely keep that agent's name handy like Connor suggested. Even if they seem helpful, it's good to have a reference point if you need to call back!
This is such a helpful thread! I'm new to this community and dealing with a similar DRC situation. I delayed my benefits for 7 months past FRA and started collecting in December 2024. After reading everyone's experiences, it sounds like I should expect to wait until somewhere between March and May to see my 4.67% increase. What really stands out to me is how much the processing timeline varies - some people get it in February, others wait until April. It's reassuring to know this is completely normal and that the retroactive payments will eventually come through. @aa0a55660898 thanks for sharing your experience and especially for the update after calling SSA! That gives me hope that I can get through to confirm my situation too. I think I'll try calling next week to verify they have my 7 months calculated correctly. One thing I'm wondering - has anyone noticed if there are certain days of the week or times that are better for getting through to SSA? I've heard horror stories about the hold times but maybe there are some tricks to avoid the worst of it.
Welcome to the community, Dmitry! From my experience trying to reach SSA, Tuesday through Thursday mornings (around 8-9 AM local time) tend to have shorter wait times than Mondays or Fridays. Also, try calling right when they open at 8 AM - that's when you're most likely to get through quickly. If you're still having trouble getting through, you might want to check out that Claimyr service that Isabella mentioned earlier in the thread. I haven't used it myself, but it sounds like it could save you hours of frustration with the hold times. With your 7-month delay, that 4.67% increase will definitely be worth the wait! Just make sure to double-check their month calculation when you do get through - better to catch any errors early than have to fight for corrections later.
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Update: I took everyone's advice and carefully reviewed my earnings record year by year. Everything looks correct - all my factory jobs are showing the right earnings with SS taxes paid. I'm still planning to call SSA about removing that warning message, but I feel much better knowing my actual work history is correctly recorded. Thanks for all the helpful information!
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Javier Torres
Glad to hear your earnings record is accurate! One additional tip: when you do speak with SSA, ask them to add a note to your file confirming you have no non-covered employment. This can be helpful when you eventually apply for benefits, as it creates documentation that the WEP/GPO warning was investigated and determined to be incorrect. It may save you some headaches down the road.
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QuantumLeap
I'm dealing with something similar right now! I've been working in private sector IT for 15 years and suddenly saw the WEP/GPO warning appear in my account last week. Like you, I've never worked any government or non-covered jobs. It's reassuring to see from the other comments that this seems to be a widespread system glitch. I checked my earnings record and everything looks correct with all my SS contributions properly recorded. Still planning to call them when I can get through, but at least now I know I'm not alone in this situation. Thanks for posting about it!
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