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CyberNinja

Why do people say it's a good thing to owe on tax returns?

Every single tax season, my wife and I end up owing the IRS. Not just a little either - we're talking thousands of dollars each time. We're not exactly financial wizards over here, but whenever we mention to friends or family that we owe on our taxes, they always respond with "that's actually a good thing!" I honestly don't get it. How is writing a massive check to the government in April a positive? Can someone please explain why owing money on taxes is supposedly better than getting a refund? And if possible, I'd love advice on how we can stop owing so much every year without messing up whatever "benefit" we're apparently getting from this situation.

Mateo Lopez

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So here's why some people say owing taxes is "good" - it means you weren't giving the government an interest-free loan all year. When you get a tax refund, it's just your own money being returned to you after the IRS held onto it for months. You could have been investing that money or using it throughout the year instead. That said, owing thousands unexpectedly isn't ideal either! It can cause cash flow problems and potentially penalties if you owe too much. The sweet spot is owing just a small amount or getting a small refund. To fix your situation, you need to adjust your withholding on your W-4 forms with your employers. The IRS has a tax withholding estimator tool on their website that can help you figure out the right amount to withhold. You could also make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid a big bill at tax time.

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CyberNinja

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Thanks for explaining that part about the interest-free loan - that makes more sense now. But we really struggle with having enough saved up by April to cover what we owe. Is there any downside to just increasing our withholding even if it means we might get a small refund? I'd rather have a little too much taken out than scramble to find thousands of dollars every spring.

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Mateo Lopez

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No downside at all if peace of mind is more valuable to you than maximizing every dollar! Many people intentionally overwithhold for exactly this reason - they use withholding as a forced savings method. Just complete a new W-4 with your employer and you can specify an additional amount to withhold from each paycheck. For your situation, take what you owed last year and divide by the number of pay periods remaining in the year. That's roughly what you should add as "extra withholding" on line 4(c) of your W-4. You can always adjust again later if needed.

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Ethan Davis

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Does it work for couples who file jointly? My husband and I both work and have the "Married but withhold at higher single rate" checked, but we still end up owing. Would this help identify where our withholding is off?

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Yuki Tanaka

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I'm always skeptical of tax services since most just seem to be glorified calculators. Does it actually explain things in normal human language? And how does it handle self-employment income? That's where I always mess up my withholding.

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It definitely works for couples filing jointly! The tool specifically asked for both our W-2s and analyzed them together. It actually pointed out that the "Married but withhold at higher single rate" wasn't enough in our case because of how our incomes combined into a higher bracket. For self-employment income, it was super helpful. It breaks down how much you should set aside from each payment you receive and can even create a quarterly payment schedule. Everything is explained in plain English - it actually showed me a comparison of what happens to each dollar at different income levels, which finally made progressive tax brackets click for me.

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Ethan Davis

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Another option to consider - if you consistently owe because of income that doesn't have taxes withheld (like 1099 work, investments, etc.), you should be making quarterly estimated tax payments. The due dates are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. This spreads out your tax burden throughout the year instead of getting hit with one big bill. You can use Form 1040-ES to calculate and submit these payments. Bonus: doing this helps avoid underpayment penalties that the IRS charges when you owe too much at filing time.

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CyberNinja

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Is there an easy way to figure out how much to pay for those quarterly payments? Our situation involves some rental income on top of our regular jobs, and I think that might be why we keep owing so much.

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For rental income, you'll want to estimate your annual rental profit (income minus expenses) and multiply by your tax bracket percentage. Then divide that amount into four equal payments. A simple approach is to take whatever you owed last year and divide by 4 - that's usually enough to avoid underpayment penalties under the "safe harbor" rule. The IRS only requires you to pay 90% of this year's taxes or 100% of last year's tax amount (110% if your income is over $150,000), whichever is smaller. If your rental situation is complex, you might want to consult with a tax professional for the first calculation, then you can handle the quarterly payments yourself going forward.

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Owing vs. getting a refund is really just personal preference. I intentionally have extra withheld because I'm terrible at saving. My tax refund is my forced savings account that funds my vacation every year. Mathematically, yes, I could invest that money throughout the year instead. But realistically, I wouldn't. I'd spend it. So for me, getting a refund IS actually the better financial choice despite what the optimization folks say. Do what works for YOUR financial personality and situation!

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Mei Wong

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This is exactly right! The "don't give the government an interest-free loan" advice only makes sense if you're disciplined enough to actually invest that money instead. For many people, slightly overwithholding is a painless way to save.

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