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Jasmine Quinn

Why do I get taxed on my stock bonuses while billionaires seem to avoid taxes?

I've been wondering about something that seems really unfair in our tax system. My company gives me part of my annual bonus in stocks, but every time this happens, I immediately have to sell about 35% of those shares just to cover the taxes. It feels like I'm losing a big chunk of my compensation right off the bat. Meanwhile, I keep reading news articles about how these tech billionaires and Wall Street executives have billions in stock appreciation but somehow don't pay taxes on it year after year. They seem to be able to borrow against their holdings and live lavishly without triggering taxable events. Is there some special loophole I'm missing? Or is this just another example of the system being rigged for the ultra-wealthy? I'm not trying to start a political debate - I genuinely want to understand if there's a legitimate tax strategy I could be using that I'm just unaware of. If billionaires can legally avoid taxes on their stock wealth, why am I forced to sell a third of my modest stock bonus just to pay Uncle Sam?

Oscar Murphy

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There's actually a fundamental tax difference between what you're experiencing and what billionaires do. It's not necessarily a "loophole" but rather how our tax code treats different types of income. When you receive stock bonuses from your employer, that's considered compensation income - just like your regular salary, but paid in shares instead of cash. The IRS treats this as ordinary income at the moment you receive it, which is why you're required to pay taxes immediately (usually through selling some shares). Billionaires, on the other hand, typically already own their company stock and aren't receiving it as compensation. They only pay taxes when they sell shares (capital gains tax), which they can choose to delay indefinitely. The "buy, borrow, die" strategy you've heard about involves using existing shares as collateral for loans rather than selling them - and loans aren't considered taxable income. The key differences: your stock is new compensation (taxable immediately) while billionaires are holding appreciated assets (taxable only when sold). It's not really about loopholes as much as it is about fundamentally different tax treatment of compensation versus investment.

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Nora Bennett

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But don't billionaires get paid in stock too? Like doesn't Elon Musk get a ton of Tesla stock every year as part of his compensation package? How is that different from what OP gets?

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Oscar Murphy

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You're right that some executives do receive stock as compensation. When that happens, they're actually required to pay income tax on the value just like you would. For someone like Elon Musk, his famous 2018 compensation package granted him options to purchase shares at a predetermined price when certain company milestones were met. When he exercises those options, he must pay income tax on the difference between the exercise price and the market value. The difference is that most billionaires already own massive amounts of founder stock or early investments that have appreciated over time, which isn't taxed until sold. That's often a much larger portion of their wealth than their annual compensation.

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I'm skeptical...I thought RSUs were pretty much always taxed as ordinary income when they vest. Are you saying there's actually a way around this? Because everything I've read says you're stuck paying income tax on the full value at vesting, no way to defer it.

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Anthony Young

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Admin_Masters

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Something nobody's mentioned yet is that your company is probably doing automatic tax withholding when your stocks vest. Most companies sell a portion of your shares immediately at vesting to cover estimated taxes (called "sell to cover"). This isn't necessarily the most tax-efficient approach. If you have cash available, you might be better off setting your equity awards to "retain all shares" and paying the tax bill out of pocket. This lets you keep more of the equity if you believe the company stock will appreciate. You'd need to make estimated tax payments to cover your liability. This is essentially a small version of what billionaires do - they try to retain ownership of appreciating assets as long as possible to delay taxation.

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Jasmine Quinn

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Is there any way to change this setting with my company? Right now they automatically sell about a third of my shares every time they vest, and I never considered there might be alternatives. Do most employers offer different withholding options for stock compensation?

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Admin_Masters

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Most medium to large companies that offer equity compensation do provide options for how your tax withholding is handled when shares vest. Check with your HR department or look in your stock plan administrator's website (like E*TRADE, Fidelity, Morgan Stanley, etc.) for settings related to "tax withholding method" or "vesting preferences." The common options are typically "sell to cover taxes" (what you're currently doing), "cash transfer" (where you pay the taxes out of pocket), or sometimes "surrender shares" (where you give back shares to cover taxes but don't create a market transaction). Not every company offers all options, but it's definitely worth checking what's available to you.

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The whole "billionaires don't pay taxes" thing is often misunderstood. They DO pay taxes - just not on unrealized gains (stock they haven't sold yet). Nobody pays taxes on unrealized gains. The real advantage they have is: 1) They can afford to never sell (living off loans using their stock as collateral) 2) They can time their sales perfectly for tax planning 3) If they hold until death, heirs get a stepped-up basis (meaning gains during their lifetime are never taxed) 4) They have access to sophisticated tax planning strategies and high-priced accountants For regular employees with RSUs or stock options, the best approach is usually a diversification strategy where you systematically sell company stock after vesting to reduce concentration risk, regardless of tax considerations.

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Ella Thompson

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What's a "stepped-up basis"? Never heard that term before.

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A stepped-up basis is a tax provision that adjusts the value of an inherited asset to its market value at the time of the previous owner's death, rather than using the original purchase price. For example, if a billionaire bought stock for $1 million that grew to be worth $1 billion by their death, and then their heirs inherit it, the heirs' cost basis becomes $1 billion (not the original $1 million). If they immediately sold it, they'd pay essentially no capital gains tax on that massive $999 million gain that occurred during the original owner's lifetime. This is one of the most significant tax advantages for ultra-wealthy families.

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Ellie Perry

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This is such a common frustration, and you're absolutely right that the system feels unfair. I went through the same thing for years - watching a third of my RSUs disappear immediately to taxes while reading about billionaires paying zero. One thing that helped me was understanding that we can actually learn from some of the strategies the wealthy use, just on a smaller scale. After your RSUs vest and you've paid the income tax, any additional gains on the shares you keep are treated as capital gains (not ordinary income). If you can afford to hold onto some of those shares instead of selling everything immediately, you get similar tax treatment to what billionaires get on their holdings. I also started timing my stock sales more strategically - selling some in years when my income is lower, or pairing sales with capital losses from other investments to offset gains. It's not going to make you a billionaire, but these small optimizations can add up over time. The key difference is billionaires have enough wealth that they never NEED to sell, while we often have to sell to cover living expenses. But even keeping 20-30% of your vested shares (if financially feasible) can help you benefit from the same long-term capital gains treatment they use.

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