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Olivia Van-Cleve

Why billionaire Warren Buffett advocates for 60% tax rate on the ultra-wealthy

I just read that Warren Buffett has been publicly supporting a 60% tax rate for billionaires like himself. As someone who's studying economics and tax policy for my degree, I find this fascinating but also confusing. Buffett claims the ultra-wealthy should pay significantly more than the current rates, arguing that the tax code favors the wealthy through capital gains preferences and various loopholes. He specifically mentioned how his effective tax rate is lower than his secretary's despite his enormous wealth. From what I understand, he's pushing for changes to how investment income is taxed compared to regular wage income. He's even provided examples of how billionaires can legally avoid paying taxes through strategies like borrowing against assets rather than selling them (avoiding capital gains tax). What I don't understand is: if this tax rate were implemented, how would it actually work with our current tax system? Would it be an additional tax on top of existing taxes or a complete overhaul? Would it only apply to income above a certain threshold or to all income for billionaires? And how would they prevent the ultra-wealthy from simply moving assets offshore or finding new tax avoidance strategies?

Mason Kaczka

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Tax professional here. This is a complex topic that often gets oversimplified in media headlines. The proposed 60% tax rate for billionaires would likely be implemented as part of a progressive tax system where that rate only applies to income above a certain (very high) threshold - not on all their income. The current system creates a disconnect because most ultra-wealthy individuals receive relatively little in traditional income compared to their wealth growth. When assets appreciate, that's not taxed until the asset is sold (capital gains). Many billionaires can avoid selling by borrowing against their assets, living on loans with low interest rates, and thus avoiding capital gains taxes completely. This is sometimes called "buy, borrow, die" because the assets may get a stepped-up basis at death, potentially avoiding capital gains tax forever. A 60% top marginal rate would address part of this issue for income, but the more revolutionary proposals involve wealth taxes or unrealized capital gains taxes that would tax asset appreciation even without a sale. These are more complicated because they raise questions about asset valuation, liquidity to pay taxes without selling assets, and constitutional challenges.

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Sophia Russo

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But if they implemented this, wouldn't billionaires just move to tax havens? I keep hearing that argument whenever tax increases are mentioned.

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Mason Kaczka

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That's a common concern, but the reality is more nuanced. The US taxes citizens on their worldwide income regardless of where they live, so simply moving abroad doesn't eliminate tax obligations unless someone renounces citizenship. When people renounce citizenship with a net worth over $2 million, they face an exit tax on unrealized gains anyway. There are also practical considerations. Moving means uprooting your life, family connections, and often business operations. Many billionaires built their wealth within the US ecosystem and benefit from its infrastructure, workforce, legal protections, and markets. The cost of moving has to be weighed against the tax savings, and for many, the calculation doesn't favor expatriation.

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Hannah Flores

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Mia Roberts

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There's a big misconception here. Most billionaires' wealth is tied to company stock, not cash in the bank. If someone forces Buffett to sell 60% of his Berkshire shares to pay taxes, that could crash the company's value and hurt thousands of regular investors and employees. This isn't just about the super-rich - it affects the whole economy.

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The Boss

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Isn't this a straw man argument though? No proposal suggests billionaires would need to sell 60% of their assets. The discussions are about a 60% marginal tax rate on income above a certain level, or potentially smaller annual taxes on total wealth (like 2-3%). Buffett himself has said he could pay more without any catastrophic effects.

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Mia Roberts

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You're missing an important distinction. Even a 2-3% wealth tax would force large-scale selling of assets since billionaires don't keep billions in cash. When Elon Musk had to sell Tesla shares to pay his income tax bill, it affected the stock price significantly. What people don't realize is that billionaire wealth is largely theoretical - it's based on company valuations that fluctuate daily. Forcing liquidation to pay taxes can trigger market instability. I'm not saying they shouldn't pay more, but the implementation matters tremendously and oversimplified "just tax them at 60%" approaches ignore these market realities.

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Can someone explain how capital gains are currently taxed vs regular income? This seems to be at the heart of the whole billionaire tax debate but I'm confused about the actual numbers.

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Mason Kaczka

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Sure! Currently, long-term capital gains (assets held over a year) are taxed at preferential rates: 0%, 15%, or 20% depending on your income level. The highest rate (20%) applies to individuals with income over $445,850 (for 2021). Compare this to ordinary income tax rates that go up to 37%. This difference is why Buffett (whose income is primarily from investments) can pay a lower effective tax rate than his secretary (who earns primarily wages). Additionally, the ultra-wealthy often avoid realizing gains altogether by borrowing against their assets instead of selling them, so they may never pay capital gains tax at all. Then when they die, their assets get a "stepped-up basis" so heirs don't pay tax on the appreciation that occurred during the original owner's lifetime.

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Malik Thomas

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As someone who works in financial planning, I think it's important to note that Buffett's advocacy for higher taxes on the ultra-wealthy isn't just about fairness - it's also about economic stability. When wealth becomes extremely concentrated, it can reduce consumer spending (since wealthy individuals save a higher percentage of their income) and limit economic mobility for everyone else. The current system essentially subsidizes wealth accumulation through preferential capital gains treatment while heavily taxing work through payroll and income taxes. A 60% marginal rate on very high incomes would likely only affect a few thousand Americans but could generate significant revenue for infrastructure, education, and other investments that benefit the broader economy. What's particularly interesting is that many billionaires like Buffett, Gates, and Munger have argued that higher taxes wouldn't significantly impact their standard of living or business decisions. When you have $100 billion, paying an extra $1-2 billion in taxes doesn't change your day-to-day life, but it could fund programs that help millions of Americans build wealth and contribute more to the economy.

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Freya Larsen

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This is a really insightful perspective that I hadn't fully considered before. The point about wealth concentration reducing consumer spending makes a lot of sense - if most of the wealth is sitting in investment accounts rather than being spent on goods and services, that has to impact the overall economy. I'm curious about the implementation timeline though. If such a tax were enacted, would there be transition periods to prevent market shock? And how would this interact with existing tax-advantaged accounts like 401(k)s and IRAs that middle-class Americans rely on? I assume the goal would be to target only the ultra-wealthy without affecting retirement savings for regular people, but I'd love to understand how that distinction would work in practice. Also, do we have data on how much revenue this could actually generate? The infrastructure and education investments you mentioned sound great in theory, but I'm wondering if the numbers actually work out to make a meaningful difference in funding these programs.

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