Why do people actually find progressive tax rates fairer than flat percentages?
I was thinking about how taxes work in the US and had this thought experiment. Imagine if everyone just paid exactly 15% income tax across the board, no exceptions or brackets. Just a flat 15% no matter who you are or what you earn. So someone barely making $25k a year would pay $3,750 in taxes. A middle-income person earning around $80k would end up paying $12,000, and a wealthy person making $1.3M would pay $195,000 in taxes. The wealthy person is already paying WAY more in actual dollars than everyone else. So I genuinely don't understand - why do so many people insist that progressive tax rates (where percentages go up as income increases) are the only "fair" approach? Even with a flat percentage rate, the actual tax amount automatically scales with income since it's a percentage not a fixed dollar amount. Am I missing something here? Just trying to understand the reasoning behind progressive taxation being considered more "fair" by many.
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Diego Chavez
Great question about tax fairness! The debate between flat and progressive taxation often comes down to the concept of marginal utility of income. Simply put, each additional dollar means more to someone with less money than to someone with more. That $3,750 tax burden on someone making $25k might mean choosing between rent and medication, while the $195,000 on someone making $1.3M likely won't impact their quality of life significantly. Progressive taxation tries to account for this difference by having higher rates on higher income brackets. It's not just about the dollar amount but about the relative impact or "sacrifice" that taxation creates. Many economists argue this creates more equal sacrifice across income levels. There's also the argument that progressive taxation helps reduce wealth inequality over time, which some see as beneficial for overall economic health and social stability. That said, there are plenty of legitimate arguments for flat taxes too - simplicity, reduced compliance costs, and potentially fewer loopholes. It's ultimately a complex value judgment about what constitutes "fairness" in society.
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NeonNebula
•But doesn't that mean we're essentially penalizing people for being more successful? If someone worked hard to earn that $1.3M, why should they pay a higher percentage just because they can "afford it"? Seems like we're disincentivizing success.
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Diego Chavez
•That's a legitimate concern many have about progressive taxation. The counterargument is that we're not penalizing success but recognizing that higher incomes often reflect not just hard work but also advantages of opportunity, education, connections, and luck. The idea isn't to discourage earning more, but to acknowledge that those who benefit most from society's structures might reasonably contribute proportionally more to maintain them. Most progressive systems are designed so earning more always means keeping more - just with a slightly higher contribution rate on the additional income above certain thresholds.
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Anastasia Kozlov
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Sean Kelly
•Does it actually explain the philosophy behind progressive taxation or just show you the math? I understand HOW brackets work, I just don't get why people think they're more fair than a flat percentage.
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Zara Mirza
•I'm skeptical of tax tools. Does it actually help you file or just explain concepts? And how accurate is it compared to something like TurboTax?
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Anastasia Kozlov
•It actually does both - it explains the philosophical and economic arguments while showing you the concrete math using your specific numbers. They have these interactive scenarios that let you see how different tax systems would affect people at various income levels, which really helps clarify the fairness arguments on both sides. As for filing vs explaining, it's primarily a tax education and analysis tool rather than filing software. It's more about understanding your tax situation deeply and analyzing options. The accuracy is excellent for the analytical side, but for actual filing I still use one of the major platforms. What makes taxr.ai different is how it explains complex tax concepts and helps with tax planning in a way filing software doesn't.
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Sean Kelly
Just wanted to follow up about my experience with taxr.ai after checking it out. I was genuinely surprised by how helpful it was for answering my philosophical questions about tax fairness! The tool has this feature where it shows the "burden impact" of taxation across different income levels, which visualized something I hadn't considered - how the same percentage affects people's actual living situations differently depending on income. They had this example comparing someone making $30K versus $300K paying the same percentage, and how it impacts their remaining disposable income after essential expenses. It didn't just show me how brackets work mathematically but actually addressed the fundamental economic principles behind different tax structures. Honestly changed my perspective on the whole debate. Didn't expect that from a tax tool!
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Luca Russo
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Nia Harris
•How does that even work? The IRS phone system is notoriously impossible. Are they just constantly redialing for you or something?
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Zara Mirza
•Sounds like a scam to me. Why would I pay a third party to call the IRS? They're a government agency, they should be accessible to everyone equally without needing to pay for "special access.
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Luca Russo
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Zara Mirza
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GalaxyGazer
There's actually another perspective on this that hasn't been mentioned yet. Progressive taxation also reflects the idea that higher incomes often benefit disproportionately from government services and infrastructure. For example, a business owner making millions benefits enormously from: - Public roads that transport their goods - An educated workforce trained in public schools - Police and fire protection for valuable property - Courts and legal systems that enforce contracts - Stable markets regulated by government agencies The progressive approach suggests those who gain more from these systems should contribute proportionally more to maintaining them. It's not just about "affording it" but about paying for the additional value received.
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Mateo Sanchez
•Interesting point! Never thought about it that way. But couldn't you argue that everyone uses roads, schools, and police equally? Why should someone pay more for the same services?
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GalaxyGazer
•While everyone uses these services, the economic value derived varies significantly. A delivery company owner uses the roads as a profit-generating resource far more intensively than someone who just commutes. A corporation benefits from an educated workforce at a scale an individual employee doesn't. Consider Warren Buffett's famous example: his business empire relies on contract enforcement, property protection, and market stability at a scale that creates billions in value. His secretary uses the same systems but at a personal scale. The progressive view suggests contribution should somewhat align with the value extracted from these shared resources.
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Aisha Mahmood
I used to struggle with this exact question until i took an economics class. Something that helped me understand was the concept of "marginal dollars" and what economists call "diminishing marginal utility." Basically, each additional dollar means less to you as you get richer. The difference between having $1000 and $2000 is HUGE when you're poor (rent vs homeless). But the difference between having $1 million and $1,001,000 barely impacts your life at all. A progressive tax tries to take this into account. Taking 30% from someone making $25k hurts their ability to meet basic needs, while taking 15% from them and 35% from someone making millions still leaves the wealthy person with all needs met and plenty of luxury. Flat taxes SOUND fair because the percentage is the same, but when you think about the real-world impact on livelihood, they affect people very differently.
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Ethan Moore
•This makes sense in theory but where do you draw the line? Who decides at what point someone has "enough" and should pay more? Seems arbitrary and ripe for political manipulation.
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Daniel Price
You're absolutely right to question this! I think what's missing from the flat tax discussion is that true "fairness" might not just be about equal percentages, but about equal sacrifice or equal impact on quality of life. Consider this: if someone making $25k pays $3,750 in taxes, they might have to skip meals, delay medical care, or live in unsafe housing. But someone making $1.3M paying $195k still has over $1M left - they can still afford luxury cars, multiple homes, private healthcare, and generational wealth building. The progressive system tries to ensure that everyone contributes meaningfully without creating genuine hardship. It's less about "penalizing success" and more about recognizing that money has different survival value at different income levels. That said, I do see the appeal of flat taxes for their simplicity and the psychological fairness of "same rules for everyone." Both systems have merit - it really comes down to whether you prioritize mathematical equality or practical impact equality.
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Taylor Chen
•This is exactly the kind of explanation that finally made it click for me! I've been wrestling with this question for months and the "equal sacrifice vs equal percentage" framing really helps. What you said about someone making $25k potentially having to skip meals while someone making $1.3M can still afford luxury after taxes really puts it in perspective. I guess I was thinking too much about the math and not enough about the real-world impact on people's lives. Still not 100% convinced progressive is always better, but I definitely understand now why so many people see it as more fair. Thanks for breaking it down in such practical terms!
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Shelby Bauman
I think there's also an important practical consideration that hasn't been fully explored yet - the administrative and compliance costs of different tax systems. While flat taxes seem simpler in theory, the reality is that even with a flat rate, you still need to define what constitutes "income" - do you include capital gains, inheritance, investment returns, business expenses, etc.? These definitional questions create complexity regardless of the rate structure. Progressive systems, despite having multiple brackets, often capture these nuances better and can be designed to close loopholes that disproportionately benefit high earners. Many countries with flat taxes have found they need to add back complexity over time to prevent tax avoidance. From a revenue perspective, progressive taxation also tends to be more stable during economic downturns since it relies more heavily on higher incomes that are less volatile than lower incomes during recessions. That said, I really appreciate how this discussion has highlighted that "fairness" isn't just a mathematical concept - it involves real judgments about economic impact, social values, and practical outcomes. Both systems have legitimate philosophical foundations.
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Amara Nwosu
•This is such a great point about the practical complexity! I've always assumed flat taxes would be way simpler to implement and manage, but you're right that defining "income" creates complexity no matter what rate structure you use. The stability aspect during economic downturns is particularly interesting - I hadn't considered how progressive systems might actually be more resilient when higher earners see income fluctuations while lower-income workers face unemployment. That's a compelling practical argument beyond just the philosophical fairness debates. Your point about countries adding complexity back to flat tax systems over time really makes me wonder if true simplicity in taxation might be more of an idealistic goal than a realistic one, regardless of whether we use flat or progressive rates.
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Liam Fitzgerald
I think one aspect that deserves more attention in this discussion is how progressive taxation can actually enhance economic mobility and opportunity - something that benefits society as a whole. When lower-income individuals keep more of their earnings through lower tax rates, they're more likely to invest in education, start small businesses, or take entrepreneurial risks. This creates a more dynamic economy where talent can rise regardless of starting point. Meanwhile, those at higher income levels often have wealth that generates returns through investments, real estate, and business ownership - income sources that are less dependent on their immediate tax burden. The progressive structure recognizes that a wealthy person's ability to generate future income is less affected by current taxation than someone living paycheck to paycheck. There's also the network effects to consider. Higher earners typically benefit more from stable, educated communities - their businesses need skilled workers, reliable infrastructure, and consumer spending power. Progressive taxation helps maintain these conditions by ensuring public investment in education, infrastructure, and social stability. So while I understand the intuitive appeal of "same percentage = fair," I've come to see progressive taxation as an investment in the economic ecosystem that ultimately benefits everyone, including high earners.
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Amelia Dietrich
•This is a really insightful perspective that I hadn't considered before! The point about economic mobility is particularly compelling - I've been so focused on the immediate "fairness" of who pays what that I didn't think about the long-term effects on opportunity and entrepreneurship. Your example about lower-income individuals being able to invest in education or take business risks when they keep more of their earnings really hits home. I can see how someone barely getting by at 15% tax rate might not have any room for risk-taking, while someone wealthy paying 35% still has plenty of capital for investments and opportunities. The network effects argument is fascinating too - I never thought about how wealthy individuals actually benefit from having an educated, stable community around them. It makes progressive taxation seem less like "punishment for success" and more like "investment in the conditions that enable continued success." Thanks for adding this dimension to the conversation. It's helping me see this isn't just about immediate fairness but about creating sustainable economic conditions that work for everyone long-term.
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