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Dominique Adams

Why is personal income tax graduated while corporate tax stays flat? Makes no sense!

I've been trying to wrap my head around our tax system lately, and I'm genuinely confused about something. Why on earth do we have a graduated tax system for individuals where you pay higher percentages as you earn more, but corporations just pay a flat rate regardless of how much profit they make? It seems like even when politicians talk about changing the corporate tax rate (from either side), they're always proposing a different flat percentage. Never a graduated system like we have for personal income tax. Is there some economic or policy reason for this that I'm missing? Or is it just one of those things that doesn't make logical sense but we do it anyway? Just seems strange that a corporation making billions would pay the same percentage as a small business barely making a profit.

Marilyn Dixon

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The difference actually has some historical and practical reasons behind it. Personal income taxes are graduated based on the principle of ability-to-pay - as individuals earn more, they can afford to contribute a larger percentage without significantly impacting their standard of living. Corporate taxation works differently because corporations aren't people (despite legal personhood). They're pass-through entities that ultimately distribute profits to shareholders who then pay personal income tax on those distributions. The flat corporate rate is partly designed to avoid double-taxation issues and provide predictability for business planning. There's also the practical reality that corporations have more flexibility in how they structure their finances, when they recognize income, and how they utilize deductions and credits. A graduated corporate system would create even more incentives for tax planning strategies to stay in lower brackets. That said, there have been periods when the US had graduated corporate tax rates, but the complexities and gaming of the system led to the flat rate approach we see today.

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That makes sense about the pass-through aspect, but what about the huge corporations that retain most of their earnings and barely pay dividends? Seems like they're getting away with a lot more than small businesses who might be struggling. Couldn't we have a graduated system with brackets based on profit levels?

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Marilyn Dixon

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You raise a good point about retained earnings. The current system does favor larger corporations that can retain substantial profits. A graduated system based on profit levels could theoretically address that disparity by having higher rates for higher profit corporations. The challenge is that corporations can more easily manipulate their reported profits through timing of expenses, international structures, and various accounting strategies. Many large corporations already use these methods to minimize taxable income despite high economic profits. Adding graduated rates might just increase these behaviors rather than generate more tax revenue.

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TommyKapitz

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TommyKapitz

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Payton Black

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Gael Robinson

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Historically, corporate taxes WERE graduated! From 1936 to 1978, we had brackets that charged higher percentages for higher corporate earnings. Then tax "simplification" happened in the 80s and we've been stuck with a flat rate since. The real question isn't why they're different, but why we abandoned the graduated corporate system. The answer might be found in who writes and influences tax law 👀

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Do you have any sources for this? Not doubting you but I'd like to read more about these historical graduated corporate rates and why they changed it. Was it really just lobbying or were there actual economic reasons?

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Gael Robinson

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Happy to provide some background! The Revenue Act of 1936 established a graduated corporate income tax with rates from 8% to 15%. This structure continued with various modifications until the late 1970s. The primary economic reasoning for the shift to a flat rate was reducing complexity and "bracket shopping" where companies would artificially split into multiple entities to stay in lower brackets. There were legitimate economic arguments, but lobbying absolutely played a role too. The Treasury Department has historical documents about this transition period that make for interesting reading.

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Darcy Moore

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Kinda random but does anyone know if turbotax handles corporate taxes well? My business is growing and I'm not sure if I should stick with it or hire an accountant.

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Dana Doyle

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TurboTax Business works okay for very basic corporate returns, but if you're growing and have any complexity at all, GET AN ACCOUNTANT. I tried doing our S-Corp return myself last year and missed so many deductions. Paying an accountant this year saved us about $7k even after their fee.

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Jean Claude

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This is a great question that really highlights how our tax system evolved piecemeal over time rather than being designed holistically. From what I understand, the graduated individual tax system is based on the principle of marginal utility - the idea that each additional dollar means less to someone who already has a lot of money. So higher earners can afford to pay higher rates without affecting their basic needs. Corporate taxation follows a different philosophy because corporations are viewed as economic entities that should be taxed efficiently rather than based on ability to pay. The flat rate is meant to minimize economic distortions and keep investment decisions focused on actual business merit rather than tax bracket management. But honestly, it does seem inconsistent when you think about it. A mom-and-pop shop making $50k profit paying the same rate as a Fortune 500 company making billions feels inherently unfair, even if there are technical reasons for it. What's interesting is that some economists actually argue we should flip it - have a flat tax for individuals (for simplicity) and graduated rates for corporations (since they have more resources to handle complex tax planning). But that's pretty much the opposite of what we have now!

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Simon White

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That's a really interesting point about flipping the system! I never thought about having flat individual taxes and graduated corporate rates. It does seem like corporations would be better equipped to handle the complexity of bracket management than individual taxpayers. The marginal utility explanation makes perfect sense for individuals - that extra $1000 means way more to someone making $30k than someone making $300k. But you're right that it feels weird applying a flat rate to a small business barely scraping by versus a mega-corporation. I wonder if the real issue is that we're trying to use the same tax structure for vastly different types of "corporations" - from single-person LLCs to multinational conglomerates. Maybe we need more nuanced categories rather than just individual vs. corporate?

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Lily Young

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This conversation has been really eye-opening! I came in thinking the system was just illogical, but now I see there are actual historical and practical reasons behind it. What strikes me most is learning that we DID have graduated corporate rates from 1936-1978. It makes me wonder if the "simplification" was really worth it, especially now that we have better technology to track and manage more complex tax structures. The point about marginal utility for individuals versus economic efficiency for corporations makes sense theoretically, but in practice it does feel like we're missing something. A small family business struggling to stay afloat shouldn't be taxed at the same rate as a corporation with billions in retained earnings. Maybe the real solution isn't choosing between graduated vs flat, but redesigning the whole system to account for different types of entities - sole proprietors, small businesses, large corporations, etc. Though I imagine that would create its own complications! Thanks everyone for the education. At least now when I complain about taxes I'll have a better understanding of why things are the way they are, even if I don't necessarily agree with all of it.

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