Why isn't self labor deductible for taxes? The unfairness of the tax system
I just had this thought that's been bugging me for days and needed to vent somewhere. Why the heck can't we deduct the cost of our own labor from our income taxes? It just doesn't make any sense to me! When businesses hire people, they can deduct those wages as business expenses. Investors only pay taxes on their actual profits. But regular working people? We get taxed on our entire paycheck without any consideration for the actual value of our time and effort. For example, if some wealthy investor puts $1,350,000 into the market and makes $135,000 in profit, they only pay taxes on that $135,000 gain. But if I bust my butt working 50+ hours a week at a job that values my labor at $65,000 a year, I'm taxed on the entire $65,000! There's no consideration for the actual cost of my time and energy that went into earning that money. It seems completely backwards and unfair. We're essentially taxing labor as if it's pure profit, when it's actually a cost. My time and effort should be considered an expense just like any other business input. Why are we penalizing people who work for a living while giving breaks to those who make money from investments? Anyone else feel like the tax system is fundamentally skewed against working people? Or am I missing something here?
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Aurora St.Pierre
You've hit on something that tax policy experts actually debate quite a bit! The tax code does treat different types of income differently, and there's a reason for this (though whether it's a good reason is debatable). The fundamental issue is how we define "income" for tax purposes. The tax system is designed to tax economic gain - money you didn't have before that you now have. When a business deducts expenses, they're recognizing costs that offset their revenue to determine actual profit. For wage earners, the IRS sees your salary as pure economic gain because you're not investing capital - just your time. You didn't spend money to earn your wages (in most cases). The system doesn't value your time as an expense because that would create a circular definition - your income would be your salary minus the value of your time, which would theoretically be equal to your salary. That said, there are some deductions that acknowledge costs related to earning income - things like unreimbursed business expenses (though these are more limited after the 2017 tax reforms), certain educational expenses, and the earned income tax credit (which is essentially a subsidy for lower-income workers). The system isn't perfect, and your frustration is valid. Many economists and policy experts have proposed various reforms to address these disparities, including more favorable tax treatment for labor income compared to capital gains.
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Christopher Morgan
•But doesn't that unfairly assume labor has no cost? My time is definitely worth something to me. If I work 2,000 hours a year for $65,000, that's time I could have spent doing other things I value - like being with family, pursuing hobbies, or even working a different job. I understand the circular logic problem, but couldn't there be some standard deduction specifically for "cost of labor" based on hours worked or something similar?
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Aurora St.Pierre
•You're absolutely right that your time has value, and the current tax system doesn't recognize that inherent cost. The circular logic problem makes it difficult to implement a direct "cost of labor" deduction as you describe. Some countries have tried to address this disparity by having significantly lower tax rates on earned income compared to investment income, which is the opposite of our current system where long-term capital gains generally get preferential treatment. Another approach is having higher standard deductions or personal exemptions that effectively create a larger untaxed portion of labor income.
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Grace Johnson
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Jayden Reed
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Nora Brooks
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Grace Johnson
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Jayden Reed
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Eli Wang
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Cassandra Moon
•Wait, so how exactly does this work? Do you still talk to the IRS directly or is this some intermediary service that might give incorrect info?
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Nora Brooks
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Eli Wang
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Nora Brooks
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Zane Hernandez
Part of the problem is that labor often has expenses that aren't recognized. I'm a construction worker and I spend hundreds on work boots, special clothing, tools, etc. that my company doesn't reimburse. Before 2018, I could deduct some of those as unreimbursed employee expenses on Schedule A, but the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act eliminated that deduction. So not only is my labor not considered a "cost" for tax purposes, but the actual out-of-pocket expenses I incur to do my job aren't deductible either! Meanwhile, if I was doing the exact same work as an independent contractor, I could deduct all those expenses on Schedule C. The whole system seems designed to benefit business owners and investors over regular employees.
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Genevieve Cavalier
•Can't you just ask your employer to switch you to a 1099 contractor instead of W-2 employee? Then you could deduct all those expenses plus potentially save on taxes through the qualified business income deduction too.
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Zane Hernandez
•Unfortunately it's not that simple. Being classified as a 1099 contractor vs. W-2 employee isn't just a choice - it's determined by how much control your employer has over your work. My company sets my hours, provides training, and directs how I do my job, so legally I have to be an employee. Also, being a contractor means paying both halves of Social Security and Medicare taxes (15.3% instead of 7.65%), no unemployment insurance, no workers comp, and no benefits. The extra tax deductions rarely make up for all those lost benefits.
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Ethan Scott
The real issue is that our tax system hasn't kept pace with how people actually earn money today. It was designed in an era when most people either owned a business or worked for someone else - there wasn't much in between. Today, lots of us are in hybrid situations - employees who also do gig work, investors who also earn wages, etc. The tax code is still catching up to these realities. I think eventually we'll need to move to a system that treats all income more equally and doesn't create these weird incentives and disincentives based on how you earn your money. Until then, the best approach is to understand the rules and structure your affairs accordingly.
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Lola Perez
•What do you think about proposals for a flat tax? Wouldn't that solve this problem by treating all income the same regardless of source?
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Marcelle Drum
This is such a fascinating discussion! As someone who works in tax preparation, I see this frustration from clients all the time. The fundamental issue you're raising touches on something economists call the "double taxation of labor" - though it's not exactly double taxation in the traditional sense. What's particularly interesting is that some countries do actually have systems that partially address this. For example, several European nations have "imputed deduction" systems where workers can deduct a standard amount for work-related costs even without receipts, essentially acknowledging that earning income has inherent costs. The closest thing we have in the US is the standard deduction, which you could argue serves a similar function - it's a recognition that everyone has basic costs associated with earning income, even if we can't itemize them specifically. Your comparison to investment income is spot-on though. The preferential treatment of capital gains (especially long-term) does create this weird situation where passive income gets better tax treatment than active labor. Some policy experts have proposed flipping this - making earned income tax-free up to a certain threshold while taxing investment returns at ordinary income rates. The political reality is that any major overhaul like this faces huge resistance from various interest groups, but the underlying logic of your argument is sound. Labor shouldn't be treated as "pure profit" when there are real opportunity costs and often out-of-pocket expenses involved.
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