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Andre Lefebvre

Why are Payroll Taxes not Deductible? Seems like double taxation!

I've been thinking about this for a while and I just don't understand why payroll taxes aren't deductible from my taxable income. Like, I have zero problem contributing to programs like disability, unemployment, and social security - these are important safety nets. But if the government is literally forcing me to pay into these programs, why can't I deduct these payments from my taxable income? It feels like I'm being double-taxed. Last year I paid around $9,500 in payroll taxes, and then I have to pay federal income tax calculated on my full income as if I didn't just fork over nearly ten grand to the government already! Am I missing something here? Is there some logical explanation for why these mandatory payments aren't considered deductible expenses? Seems completely unfair to me. Anyone have insight on the reasoning behind this policy?

Zoe Dimitriou

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The reason payroll taxes aren't deductible for employees relates to how the tax system is structured. FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare) are considered separate from income taxes and fund specific benefit programs you'll likely use later. Think of it this way: Social Security and Medicare taxes go into trust funds that will eventually pay benefits to you. They're less like taxes and more like mandatory retirement and health insurance contributions for your future. If you could deduct them, you'd essentially be getting a tax break on money that will eventually come back to you as benefits. For self-employed people, there is a partial deduction - they can deduct the "employer half" of their self-employment taxes, which acknowledges the dual role they play as both employer and employee. It may seem like double taxation, but the systems are designed to be separate by intention. Income taxes fund general government operations while payroll taxes fund specific benefit programs with a more direct connection between what you pay and what you'll eventually receive.

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QuantumQuest

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But if I'm paying into a retirement system that I might never fully benefit from (I'm 30 and who knows if social security will even exist when I retire), shouldn't I at least get some tax benefit now? Also, what about unemployment taxes? I may never use unemployment benefits, yet I'm forced to pay.

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Zoe Dimitriou

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Your concern about the future of Social Security is understandable, but the system is designed to be pay-as-you-go, with current workers supporting current retirees. Despite concerns, the system has continued and Congress has historically acted to shore up funding when needed. The non-deductibility maintains consistency in how these programs are funded. Regarding unemployment taxes, those are actually paid entirely by employers, not taken from your paycheck. The taxes you see withheld are just Social Security and Medicare. Employers do get to deduct their portion of payroll taxes (including unemployment taxes) as a business expense, which acknowledges their mandatory nature from the business perspective.

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Mei Zhang

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How exactly does this work? Does it just explain tax concepts or does it actually help you find deductions? I've used TurboTax for years but I'm still confused about a lot of these payroll tax issues.

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Liam McGuire

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Mei Zhang

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Amara Eze

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NeonNomad

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This sounds like a scam honestly. You're telling me you pay a service to call the IRS for you? Couldn't you just keep calling yourself? And what kind of actual help did you really get that justified the cost? The IRS website already says payroll taxes aren't deductible for employees.

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Amara Eze

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NeonNomad

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Here's a little-known fact: if you're self-employed, you actually CAN deduct a portion of your payroll taxes. When you're self-employed, you pay both the employee and employer portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes (15.3% total). The IRS allows you to deduct the "employer half" (7.65%) of these taxes as a business expense. So while W-2 employees can't deduct their payroll taxes, self-employed folks get a partial break. It's one of the few advantages to being self-employed and dealing with the higher overall self-employment tax burden.

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Is there any way to structure things so regular employees can get this benefit too? Like if I did some consulting work on the side, would that help offset the payroll taxes from my main job?

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Having some self-employment income alongside your W-2 job can definitely help. If you do consulting or other independent work, you'd file a Schedule C for that business income, and then you can deduct the employer portion of self-employment taxes on that specific income. It won't offset the payroll taxes from your main job, but it does give you a tax advantage on your side income. Plus, with self-employment income, you can potentially deduct legitimate business expenses that further reduce your taxable income. Just be sure you're actually running a legitimate business activity with profit motive, not just a hobby, or the IRS might disallow those deductions during an audit.

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Has anyone actually calculated how much this "double taxation" costs us? I make about $85k and pay roughly $6500 in FICA taxes. If I could deduct that amount, at my tax bracket (22%), that would save me $1430 per year. That's significant money!

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Dmitry Volkov

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I did this calculation too! I make around $120k and pay about $9180 in FICA. Being in the 24% bracket, that's a potential savings of $2203 if it were deductible. That's nearly $200/month that could go toward my mortgage or retirement account. The system is definitely stacked against employees.

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Ravi Sharma

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I completely understand your frustration - this has bothered me for years too! What helped me wrap my head around it is realizing that payroll taxes and income taxes serve fundamentally different purposes, even though they both come out of our paychecks. The key insight is that payroll taxes are more like mandatory insurance premiums than traditional taxes. You're not just paying the government - you're earning credits toward future Social Security benefits and Medicare coverage. The amount you eventually receive in benefits is directly tied to how much you paid in over your working years. If payroll taxes were deductible, it would essentially mean getting a tax break on money that's going into an account with your name on it (even if it's administered by the government). That's why they're treated separately from income taxes, which fund general government operations you may never directly benefit from. That said, I totally get why it feels unfair when you're looking at your paycheck! The lack of immediate tax benefit definitely stings, especially when you're already dealing with income tax on top of it.

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