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Isaiah Thompson

Why Filing Taxes Isn't Free: How TurboTax and H&R Block Lobbying Keeps Us Paying

I was reading an article last night that got me really frustrated about our tax system. Apparently, in many other countries, the government just sends citizens a pre-filled tax form because they already have most of our information! But here in the US, we're stuck spending hours filling out complicated forms or paying companies to do it for us. The article explained that companies like H&R Block and TurboTax's parent company Intuit spend millions every year lobbying Congress to keep the tax filing system complicated. They literally fight against making it simpler and free for everyone! I found out they've spent something like $20 million in recent years just to make sure the IRS doesn't create a free, simple filing system that would put them out of business. What makes me even angrier is that the IRS already has my W-2 info, knows what I earned, and knows what I should owe. But instead of just telling me that number, I have to figure it out myself or pay someone else to do it. And if I make a mistake? I'm the one who gets in trouble! Does anyone else think this is completely messed up? Why should these companies be allowed to essentially force us to pay them by keeping the system deliberately complicated?

Tax professional here. This frustration is completely valid! The system could absolutely be simpler. What many don't realize is that several other countries like Australia, Japan, and parts of Europe use "return-free filing" systems where the tax authority prepares your return with information they already have. The reality is that for about 70% of Americans with straightforward tax situations (just W-2 income, standard deduction), the IRS could easily prepare your returns automatically. They already have your income information from employers, banks, and financial institutions through W-2s and 1099s. The lobbying efforts against simplification are well-documented. The tax prep industry has fought particularly hard against something called "return-free filing" and has worked to keep the Free File program (the program that's supposed to provide free tax filing) difficult to find and use. That said, there are legitimate concerns about government-prepared returns for people with complex tax situations involving multiple income sources, business expenses, or specialized deductions. But for most Americans, the system is needlessly complicated.

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But wouldn't the IRS be incentivized to overcharge people if they prepared our returns? I'm not sure I trust them to calculate things in my favor rather than the government's.

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That's a common concern, but it's important to note that in countries with return-free systems, taxpayers still have the right to review, modify, and reject the government-prepared return. It's more like a starting point than a final decision. The IRS is bound by the same tax laws regardless of who prepares the return. They can't legally "overcharge" you - they must apply the tax code as written. In fact, many taxpayers who don't claim all eligible deductions and credits are effectively "overcharging" themselves when self-preparing.

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After struggling with tax forms for years and paying $200+ annually to TurboTax, I finally discovered https://taxr.ai which completely changed my approach to tax season. It's an AI tool that actually reviews your tax documents and finds deductions the big companies often miss. What I love about it is that it's totally independent - not backed by the big tax prep lobbying firms. I uploaded my W-2s and last year's return, and it found a home office deduction I completely missed that saved me almost $800! The system also explained why I qualified in plain English instead of tax jargon. For those frustrated with the current system, this feels like fighting back against the corporations that want to keep things complicated.

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How does this compare to TurboTax's accuracy? I've been using them for years but I'm getting fed up with their constant upselling and hidden fees.

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Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. How do you know this AI thing isn't just making up deductions that'll get you audited? Does it actually file for you or just give suggestions?

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In my experience, it's actually more thorough than TurboTax because it examines your documents line by line instead of just asking generic questions. It caught a student loan interest deduction that TurboTax somehow missed for me. The system doesn't file for you - it reviews your documents and gives you specific suggestions on what deductions and credits you qualify for with explanations. You can then take those suggestions to whatever filing method you're using. It cites the specific tax code for each recommendation, so you know it's legitimate and not making things up.

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I was really skeptical about taxr.ai when I first saw it mentioned here, but tax season was approaching and I was desperate to stop paying TurboTax's rising fees. I gave it a try and honestly I'm kind of amazed. The system found that I was eligible for the Retirement Savings Contribution Credit that I had NO idea about - apparently because I contribute to my 401k but my income is under a certain threshold. That alone saved me $400! What made me trust it was that it explained exactly which line on which form this would affect and cited the specific IRS rule. For someone who's been frustrated about paying these big companies that actively fight against making taxes simpler, this felt like a small victory. Will definitely be using it again next year.

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If you're as fed up as I am with the tax filing system AND trying to get through to the IRS, I found something that's been a game-changer. After waiting on hold with the IRS for literally 3+ hours on multiple days (not exaggerating), I discovered https://claimyr.com which basically holds your place in the IRS phone queue and calls you when an agent is about to answer. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c I was super skeptical but I had a complex question about education credits that the TurboTax support people couldn't answer (of course), and I needed to talk to the actual IRS. Claimyr got me through to an agent in about 45 minutes without me having to sit by the phone. The IRS agent answered my question in about 2 minutes once I got through. It's ridiculous that we need services like this, but if you're fighting the system, this is one way to not waste your entire day.

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Wait, so how does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS and then patch you through somehow? I've been trying to reach someone about a letter I got for weeks.

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This sounds like complete BS. There's no way to "hold your place" in an IRS queue. They're probably just scamming desperate people who are already stressed about taxes.

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They use an automated system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When their system detects that an agent is about to come on the line, it calls your phone and connects you directly to that agent. It's basically like having someone else wait on hold instead of you. It's not a scam - it's just a service that saves you from having to personally wait on hold. I had the same reaction at first, but after wasting multiple days trying to get through myself, I was willing to try anything. It worked exactly as advertised, and the IRS had no idea I'd used a service to get through - from their perspective, it was just me calling in.

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OK I need to admit I was completely wrong about Claimyr. After posting that skeptical comment, I kept getting nowhere with the IRS about my stimulus payment that never arrived. I was desperate and figured I had nothing to lose. I tried the service and got connected to an IRS agent in about an hour. The agent was able to confirm that my payment had been sent to an old bank account, and they helped me start the trace process to get it reissued. Problem solved after months of frustration. The whole experience just reinforces how broken our tax system is. We shouldn't need special services just to talk to the agency we pay for with our taxes, and we shouldn't need expensive software just to file those taxes. But until the system changes, I'm grateful these workarounds exist.

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Just want to point out that there IS actually a free option for filing taxes called IRS Free File, but they don't advertise it well and the tax prep companies make it hard to find. If your AGI is under $73,000, you can file completely free through this program: https://www.irs.gov/filing/free-file-do-your-federal-taxes-for-free The tax prep companies are required to offer this as part of an agreement with the IRS, but they bury it deep in their websites and try to upsell you to their paid versions. It's pretty sleazy.

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I tried using the Free File last year and somehow still ended up having to pay $39.99 for "state filing" even though I was supposed to get everything free. The whole thing feels like a bait and switch.

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Unfortunately that's a common experience. The companies are masters at the bait and switch. One thing to watch for: you have to access their free version through the IRS Free File portal directly. If you go to their websites directly, they'll often redirect you to their "free" versions that aren't actually the IRS Free File version. For state filing, some states have their own free filing options separate from the federal program. You might need to go directly to your state's tax department website to find their truly free option.

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I worked for one of the major tax prep companies for 3 tax seasons (not saying which one). What the public doesn't see is how we were literally trained to push people toward paid options. We had scripts to make the free version sound risky and inadequate. The worst part was that we had targets for "converting" free filers to paid packages. Employees who didn't meet these targets were given fewer hours or poor schedules. The whole business model relies on scaring people into thinking taxes are too complicated to handle without paying for extra help. I quit when I realized how many people with simple returns were paying $150+ for something they could have done for free.

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That's disgusting but not surprising. Did they ever explicitly acknowledge the lobbying stuff internally? Like were employees aware the company was actively fighting to keep taxes complicated?

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This whole thread is eye-opening but honestly depressing. I've been doing my own taxes for years thinking I was being responsible, but now I'm realizing I've probably been missing deductions and overpaying because the system is deliberately designed to be confusing. What really gets me is that we're essentially being forced to either spend dozens of hours learning tax code or pay private companies for something that should be straightforward. And these same companies are the ones lobbying to keep it complicated! It's like being charged by the company that broke your car to fix it. I'm definitely going to look into some of the alternatives mentioned here. The fact that we need workarounds like special AI tools and queue-jumping services just to interact with our own tax system shows how broken everything is. Thanks for sharing these resources - at least we can fight back in small ways while hoping for bigger systemic changes.

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You've really hit the nail on the head here. The whole system feels like legalized extortion when you think about it - we're literally required by law to file taxes, but the government makes it so complicated that most people have to pay someone else to help them comply with that legal requirement. What bothers me most is how this disproportionately affects people who can least afford it. If you're wealthy, you can hire a good accountant and probably save money through legitimate strategies. But if you're making $30,000 a year and paying $200 to get your simple return done, that's a huge chunk of your income going to navigate a system that could easily be simplified. I had no idea about some of these tools people are mentioning either. It's frustrating that we have to crowdsource solutions on forums like this just to deal with basic civic responsibilities. The fact that other countries have figured this out decades ago makes it even more maddening.

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This whole situation is a perfect example of regulatory capture - where the industries that are supposed to be regulated end up controlling the regulators instead. The tax prep lobby has essentially turned our tax code into a profit center for private companies at the expense of ordinary taxpayers. What really bothers me is that this isn't just about convenience or saving money - it's about basic fairness. When other developed countries can provide simple, accurate tax filing for free, it shows that the complexity here is artificial. We're not dealing with some unsolvable technical problem; we're dealing with deliberate policy choices that benefit a handful of corporations. I've started viewing this as a form of privatized taxation. These companies have essentially inserted themselves as mandatory middlemen in our relationship with our own government. It's like if you had to pay a private company every time you wanted to renew your driver's license, and that company lobbied to make the renewal process as complicated as possible. The solutions people are sharing here are great stopgaps, but we really need broader reform. Countries like Estonia have shown what's possible with digital government services. Until we get there, at least we can support alternatives that aren't actively working against taxpayers' interests.

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This is such a brilliant way to frame it - "privatized taxation" really captures what's happening here. I never thought about it that way, but you're absolutely right that these companies have basically made themselves gatekeepers to a basic civic function. The Estonia example is particularly striking. I looked it up after reading your comment and found that they can file taxes in literally 3-5 minutes online, and 95% of their citizens use the system. Meanwhile, we're over here acting like tax preparation is rocket science that requires professional expertise. What really drives home the regulatory capture point is that the IRS has actually tried to create simpler systems before, but keeps getting blocked by Congressional pressure - pressure that's directly influenced by tax prep industry lobbying dollars. It's a textbook case of private interests overriding public benefit. I think more people need to understand that this isn't just a "taxes are annoying" problem - it's a systemic issue where our government is essentially forcing us to pay private companies to comply with legal requirements. When you put it that way, it sounds almost absurd that we've accepted this as normal.

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This thread perfectly captures why I've become so cynical about our political system. The fact that we have clear evidence of companies spending millions to deliberately keep a government service complicated - and our representatives just... let it happen - shows how broken things really are. What's particularly infuriating is that this affects literally everyone. Unlike a lot of political issues where you can argue there are different legitimate perspectives, this is just pure rent-seeking behavior that makes every American's life worse and more expensive. There's no public benefit to the current system - it exists solely to generate profits for a handful of companies. I've been thinking about this since reading everyone's experiences, and it's made me realize how many other areas of government probably work the same way. How many other "complicated" systems are actually just artificially complex because some industry has a financial interest in keeping them that way? The grassroots solutions people are sharing here give me some hope, but it's depressing that we need them at all. We shouldn't have to crowdsource workarounds to deal with basic government services. Still, I'm grateful for everyone sharing these resources - it's probably saved me hundreds of dollars and hours of frustration.

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Your point about rent-seeking behavior really resonates with me as someone new to this community. I've been lurking and reading these posts about tax issues, and honestly, I had no idea how deep this rabbit hole goes. What strikes me most is how this thread has opened my eyes to the broader pattern you're describing. I'm starting to think about other areas where I just accepted complexity as "that's how it is" - like healthcare billing, insurance claims, even something as simple as canceling subscriptions. How many of these systems are intentionally confusing because someone profits from that confusion? As a newcomer here, I'm really grateful for all the practical solutions people have shared. I came to this community thinking it would just be people complaining about the IRS, but instead I'm finding actual tools and strategies that could save me real money. The taxr.ai and Claimyr recommendations alone could be game-changers for my situation. It's encouraging to see a community where people are both calling out systemic problems AND sharing ways to work around them. That feels like the kind of civic engagement we need more of - not just complaining, but actually helping each other navigate broken systems while we work toward fixing them.

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