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Miguel Diaz

How do billionaires and ultra wealthy avoid paying taxes on dividends?

So I've been investing for a few years and have built up a decent dividend portfolio that's bringing in about $8k annually. Nothing spectacular but it's nice passive income. The problem is that come tax time, I'm getting hit with a 22% tax rate on these dividends and it stings. I keep reading about how the ultra rich basically pay next to nothing in taxes while sitting on mountains of dividend-producing assets. What strategies do they use to avoid dividend taxes that regular people like me don't know about? Is it all offshore accounts and shell companies, or are there legitimate strategies that someone with more modest means could implement? I'm not trying to do anything sketchy, just wondering if there are legal tax minimization strategies I'm missing out on. My accountant hasn't been super helpful with this specific question.

Zainab Ahmed

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Great question. The ultra wealthy use several legal strategies to minimize dividend taxation that aren't widely known to average investors. First, they often hold investments in tax-advantaged accounts like Roth IRAs. Peter Thiel famously grew his Roth IRA to billions, completely tax-free. While you can't contribute unlimited amounts, maximizing these accounts should be your first step. Second, they utilize the qualified dividend tax rate (currently maxing at 20% versus ordinary income rates up to 37%). Make sure your dividends are qualified by holding stocks for the required period. Third, they strategically harvest tax losses to offset dividend income and capital gains. This requires actively managing your portfolio throughout the year. Fourth, many wealthy individuals structure their affairs as family offices or use trusts with complex distribution provisions that effectively defer or minimize taxation. Fifth, and this is key: they borrow against their assets rather than selling them or collecting dividends. By using portfolio loans with low interest rates, they access cash without triggering taxable events.

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Connor Byrne

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This is super helpful but I'm confused about the borrowing against assets part. How does this actually work? If they're just taking loans, don't they eventually have to pay those back with money that's been taxed anyway? And wouldn't the interest eat away any tax savings?

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Zainab Ahmed

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The borrowing strategy works because the ultra-wealthy can take loans at very favorable interest rates (often below 2%) using their massive portfolios as collateral. They don't need to sell assets or realize dividends to fund their lifestyle, avoiding triggering taxable events. They often strategically repay portions of these loans by selling assets only when they can offset gains with losses, effectively creating tax-free spending money. Many also use these loans to invest in more appreciating assets, creating a cycle where the additional returns exceed the loan interest. When they pass away, their heirs receive a stepped-up basis on inherited assets, potentially wiping out capital gains tax liability altogether.

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Yara Abboud

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PixelPioneer

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Does it work with complex situations? I have dividend income spread across personal accounts, a trust, and a small business. Most tax software can't handle this complexity well.

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Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. How much did it actually save you percentage-wise? And is this just for analysis or does it help with actual filing too?

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Yara Abboud

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Paolo Rizzo

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Amina Sy

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How does this actually work? Is this some kind of priority line or something? I thought everyone had to suffer through the same IRS wait times regardless of who you are.

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This sounds like total BS. The IRS is deliberately understaffed and their phone systems are designed to be impenetrable. There's no way some random service is magically getting through when millions of Americans can't. And even if you do get through, the agents rarely know anything beyond basic tax situations.

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Paolo Rizzo

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One strategy the ultra-wealthy use that nobody's mentioned yet is charitable remainder trusts (CRTs). They donate appreciated dividend-paying assets to these trusts, get an immediate tax deduction, continue receiving income from the assets, and eventually the remainder goes to charity. This works best with highly appreciated assets that produce significant dividends. The donor gets to claim a partial tax deduction now while still receiving income and avoiding capital gains taxes on the appreciation. It's complex to set up but extremely tax-efficient for the right situations.

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NebulaNomad

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What's the minimum asset value needed for this to make sense? Like would it work for someone with say $250k in dividend stocks or is this only for multi-millionaires?

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For charitable remainder trusts to make financial sense, most advisors recommend a minimum funding amount of $500,000, though $1 million+ is where you really see the benefits outweigh the setup and maintenance costs. With $250k, the ongoing administrative expenses would likely eat too much of your return. The annual costs include trustee fees, tax preparation, and possibly investment management fees. These typically run at least $3,000-5,000 annually regardless of the trust size. However, there are "pooled income funds" that work similarly but allow smaller contributions, potentially making sense for your situation.

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Javier Garcia

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Has anyone tried the buy-borrow-die strategy? I've heard this is what billionaires actually do. You buy appreciating assets, borrow against them for living expenses (no tax), and when you die your heirs get the stepped-up basis (avoiding capital gains). Seems like it would work for dividend stocks too if you just reinvest all dividends and borrow for cash needs.

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Emma Taylor

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I've implemented a modified version of this. The key is finding the right securities-based lending program. Interactive Brokers offers rates around 3.5% right now, and some private banks go even lower for 7-figure portfolios. Just be careful about margin calls if the market drops significantly.

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Aisha Mahmood

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Another strategy worth mentioning is tax-loss harvesting paired with dividend reinvestment plans (DRIPs). The ultra-wealthy systematically harvest losses throughout the year to offset dividend income, but they do it strategically. Here's what many people miss: you can sell losing positions to harvest the loss for tax purposes, then immediately reinvest the proceeds into a similar (but not identical) security to avoid wash sale rules. This creates tax deductions that directly offset your dividend income. For your $8k in dividends, if you can harvest $8k in losses, you've effectively made your dividend income tax-free for that year. The key is maintaining a diversified portfolio specifically for this purpose - holding similar stocks or ETFs that you can swap between. I also recommend looking into qualified small business stock (QSBS) if you're entrepreneurial. Dividends from qualifying small businesses can be completely tax-free up to certain limits. It requires more active involvement but can be incredibly tax-efficient for the right person. The real game-changer though is understanding that tax optimization is a year-round strategy, not something you think about in April. Start tracking your unrealized gains and losses monthly so you can make strategic moves throughout the year.

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Selena Bautista

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This is really eye-opening! I never thought about tax-loss harvesting as a year-round strategy. Quick question though - when you mention swapping between similar securities to avoid wash sale rules, how similar can they be? Like could I sell a dividend-focused ETF and immediately buy a different dividend ETF, or does it need to be more different than that? I'm worried about accidentally triggering the wash sale rule and losing the tax benefit.

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