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Statiia Aarssizan

How do wealthy individuals like Elon Musk avoid paying taxes legally?

I was watching this YouTube video about how billionaires minimize their tax burden and I'm trying to understand the full picture. From what I gathered, instead of taking a traditional salary, someone like Musk gets compensated primarily through stock options. Then they go to banks and take out loans using their stock as collateral. This way, when their assets increase in value, they don't pay capital gains taxes because they never actually sold the stocks. I understand this strategy up to this point, but what confuses me is the full cycle. With what money do they eventually pay back these loans plus interest? Don't these loans need to be repaid regularly? If they're not selling stocks (which would trigger taxes) and not taking much salary (which would also be taxed), where does the money come from to service these loans? I've searched for videos that explain what happens after they get the loans, but can't find a clear explanation of how this works as a complete strategy. Can someone walk me through the full cycle of this tax avoidance approach?

What you're describing is often called "buy, borrow, die" - a common strategy used by the ultra-wealthy. Here's how the full cycle typically works: The wealthy person takes out loans against their stock holdings at very favorable interest rates (often 1-3%) because they're considered low-risk borrowers with excellent collateral. When the loan term ends or needs servicing, they have several options: They can take out a new, larger loan to pay off the old one (refinancing). Since their assets have likely appreciated over time, banks are happy to lend more. They can strategically sell small portions of stock during tax-advantageous times, often offsetting gains with losses elsewhere in their portfolio. They may receive dividends from their investments which can help service the loan interest without selling shares. The "die" part comes in when they pass away. Currently, their heirs receive the assets with a "stepped-up basis," meaning the capital gains tax slate is wiped clean upon inheritance. This strategy works best when asset appreciation outpaces loan interest rates, which is why it's particularly effective during periods of low interest rates.

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Aria Khan

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But wouldn't the banks eventually want their money back? Like, they can't just keep refinancing forever, right? What's the bank's incentive to keep this going?

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Banks are actually quite happy to continue this arrangement almost indefinitely. For them, these are extremely safe loans backed by valuable, liquid collateral. If the wealthy borrower defaults, the bank simply takes the stock and sells it. The interest payments provide steady income for the bank, and these high-net-worth clients typically bring other valuable business to the institution. Furthermore, as the stock portfolio grows in value, the loan-to-value ratio actually becomes more favorable for the bank over time, reducing their risk.

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Everett Tutum

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Sunny Wang

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Romeo Quest

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Another strategy the ultra-wealthy use is timing their income recognition. For example, Musk exercised a ton of options in 2021 when he knew he'd have to pay tax on them anyway, creating a huge tax bill that year. But this was likely strategic timing based on his overall financial plan. Also, many wealthy individuals establish charitable foundations and donor-advised funds. They donate appreciated stock directly to these entities (avoiding capital gains tax) and get a tax deduction for the full market value. The foundation can then sell the stock tax-free and use the proceeds for charitable activities that may align with the donor's interests.

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Val Rossi

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Do those charitable deductions really offset the taxes they would have paid though? I always assumed the math wouldn't work out since you're giving away the whole asset value to save a percentage in taxes.

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Romeo Quest

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You're right that the pure math doesn't work out if you're only thinking about tax savings - you'll always have more money if you just pay the taxes instead of donating the entire asset. The charitable deduction typically saves you your marginal tax rate (37% federal for top earners) plus potentially state taxes. However, the strategy makes sense when combined with genuine philanthropic goals. By donating appreciated stock, you avoid capital gains tax (up to 23.8% federal) that would have been due if you sold first and then donated cash. You also get the deduction for the full market value. So while you're giving away the asset, you're doing it in the most tax-efficient manner possible.

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Eve Freeman

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Everyone is talking about loans but missing a key point - for people like Musk, a lot of their "spending money" comes from other cash flows: board seats at other companies, speaking fees, book deals, etc. These provide regular income streams separate from their main stock holdings. Also, these ultra-wealthy people often have business expenses that are legally paid by their companies. Company car, security, travel on company aircraft - these reduce their need for personal spending while maintaining their lifestyle.

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Don't they have to pay taxes on those perks though? I thought if a company pays for personal expenses it counts as compensation and is taxable?

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