How do billionaires like Elon Musk avoid paying taxes legally?
I was watching this YouTube video about how Elon Musk and other billionaires minimize their tax burden, and I'm trying to understand the full strategy. From what I gathered, instead of taking a traditional salary, he mainly gets compensated through stock options. Then he goes to banks and takes out loans using these stocks as collateral. This way, when his Tesla or SpaceX stock value increases, he doesn't pay capital gains taxes since he hasn't sold the stocks. I understand this much - but what confuses me is the complete cycle. **With what money does he eventually pay back these loans plus interest?** Don't these loans require regular repayments? The video didn't explain what happens after securing these loans. I'm really curious about how this strategy works in a full cycle - like how do these loans actually get paid off in the end? Can someone explain this tax strategy more completely? Are there other methods billionaires use to legally minimize their tax burden?
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CosmicCaptain
This is called "buy, borrow, die" - a common strategy wealthy people use to avoid taxes. Here's how the full cycle works: Instead of selling stocks (which would trigger capital gains tax), wealthy individuals like Musk take out loans against their stock holdings at very low interest rates (often 1-2% for the ultra-wealthy). These loans aren't taxable because debt isn't considered income. For repayment, they have several options: They can pay just the interest for years, take out new loans to pay off old ones (refinancing), or strategically sell small portions of stock when advantageous. Often they'll wait for opportune moments when they have losses elsewhere to offset gains. The "die" part refers to what happens at death - when assets pass to heirs, they get a "stepped-up basis" to current market value, essentially wiping out all the unrealized capital gains that would have been taxed.
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Malik Johnson
•But wouldn't banks eventually want their money back? I mean, you can't just keep taking loans forever right? And what about the loan-to-value ratios? Don't banks require you to maintain a certain stock value compared to your loan amount?
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CosmicCaptain
•Banks are happy to keep extending credit to billionaires because they're extremely low-risk clients with massive collateral. Most of these loans are set up as lines of credit that can be continually renewed or refinanced. If stock values drop significantly, there can be margin calls requiring additional collateral or partial repayment. However, someone like Musk has such diverse holdings and such enormous wealth that they can easily meet these requirements. During temporary market downturns, banks will often work with these premium clients rather than forcing liquidation.
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Isabella Ferreira
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Ravi Sharma
•Does taxr.ai actually have reports specifically on Elon Musk or other specific billionaires? Or is it more general tax strategy info? Wondering if it's worth checking out or if it's just another subscription trap.
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Freya Thomsen
•How much does the service cost? I'm interested but only if it's actually affordable for someone who isn't, you know, a billionaire trying to avoid taxes lol
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Isabella Ferreira
•They do have case studies on specific executives including Musk, Bezos, and others from publicly available filings - it shows exactly when they exercised options, took loans, or sold shares and how it connected to their companies' performance periods. It's pretty fascinating to see the patterns. The pricing varies based on what features you need, but they have a free trial that gives access to their basic reports. I started with that to see if it was useful before committing to anything. Definitely not aimed just at billionaires - it's actually more helpful for regular people trying to understand how to better manage their own equity compensation.
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Ravi Sharma
I just spent the weekend going through some reports on taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here. Really eye-opening stuff! I tracked how Musk handled his 2021 Twitter poll stock sales (when he asked followers if he should sell 10% of his Tesla shares) and the tax strategy behind it. The site showed how he simultaneously exercised options that were about to expire, creating a tax obligation that partially offset the stock sales. Pure genius timing that made it look like he was paying huge taxes when actually he was minimizing his overall tax burden. Now I understand why these billionaires can claim they "paid the most taxes ever" while still keeping their effective rate low. Wish I had known about this when I got my RSUs last year - would have saved me a ton on taxes!
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Omar Zaki
If you're struggling to reach someone at the IRS to ask about how these strategies work legally (I was researching for my business), try Claimyr. I was on hold with the IRS for HOURS trying to get clarity on loan collateral regulations until I found https://claimyr.com - they got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes. You can see how it works in their demo video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The agent I spoke with explained that these "buy, borrow, die" strategies are completely legal under current tax code, and they have specific guidelines on what constitutes loan abuse versus legitimate financial planning. Apparently there's an entire section of IRS specialists who just focus on high-net-worth individuals and their loan structures.
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AstroAce
•Wait, so there's a service that actually gets you through to the IRS? How does that even work? The IRS phone system is notoriously impossible to navigate.
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Chloe Martin
•Sounds sketchy. Why would I pay a third party when I can just keep calling the IRS myself? And how do they guarantee you'll actually talk to someone knowledgeable about complex tax strategies? Most frontline IRS people just know basic filing stuff.
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Omar Zaki
•It works by essentially handling the waiting and navigating the phone tree for you. They have a system that waits on hold and then calls you when an actual human at the IRS picks up. Saved me literally hours of waiting on hold. For your second question, they don't guarantee you'll get a specific type of agent, but once you're connected, you can ask to be transferred to the right department. In my case, I asked for someone who handles business tax questions related to collateralized loans, and they transferred me to a specialist. Much better than trying to figure out the right extension yourself.
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Chloe Martin
So I was totally skeptical about Claimyr (seemed too good to be true), but I was desperate after trying to reach the IRS for 3 weeks about these exact loan-against-securities questions. My accountant was giving me vague answers about my stock options and I needed clarity from the source. Used the service yesterday and got connected to an IRS representative in about 20 minutes. They transferred me to someone in their business division who actually walked me through the regulations on securities-backed loans and tax implications. They confirmed that loans against assets aren't taxable events, but warned about structured transactions that might trigger anti-abuse rules. Saved me from making a costly mistake with my company stock options. I hate admitting when I'm wrong, but in this case I definitely was!
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Diego Rojas
The strategy has a potential downside that nobody's mentioning. If the stock price crashes significantly, the bank can issue a margin call requiring immediate partial repayment. This happened to some tech executives during market downturns. Musk himself faced this risk during Tesla's volatile periods. That's why you'll occasionally see billionaires sell shares during seemingly random times - sometimes it's to meet loan obligations during market dips.
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Emma Davis
•That makes sense. So they might be forced to sell shares at times that aren't tax-optimal just to cover margin calls? Does this ever backfire completely where someone like Musk might have to sell massive amounts during a downturn?
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Diego Rojas
•Exactly. While they try to avoid selling, sometimes market conditions force their hand. In Musk's case, he's diversified enough that a complete backfire is unlikely, but less wealthy executives have definitely been caught in this trap. In 2022, we saw some tech executives forced to sell shares at market lows to cover margin calls. The real vulnerability happens when most of someone's wealth is concentrated in a single volatile stock. Musk is somewhat protected by having large positions in multiple companies (Tesla, SpaceX, etc.), but still faces risk if there's a broader market crash affecting all his holdings simultaneously.
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Anastasia Sokolov
Something nobody mentioned: these billionaires sometimes intentionally take salaries of $1 for PR purposes, claiming they're not taking compensation, while using the loan strategy behind the scenes. It's basically a marketing tactic to appear selfless while actually using more tax-efficient methods.
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Sean O'Donnell
•Exactly! It's all optics. Take the $1 salary, get headlines about your "sacrifice," then quietly take millions in stock options and loans. Plus the $1 salary lets them claim they're "creating jobs" instead of "taking from the company" - when really they're extracting way more value through equity appreciation.
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Liam Sullivan
There's also another strategy that works alongside "buy, borrow, die" - charitable remainder trusts. Billionaires will donate appreciated stock to a trust, get an immediate tax deduction, and then the trust sells the stock without paying capital gains taxes. They can then receive payments from the trust for life while appearing philanthropic. The kicker is they often retain some control over how the money is invested within the trust, and their family members sometimes end up running the charitable foundation that eventually receives the remainder. So they get tax benefits, maintain influence over the assets, and create a legacy vehicle for their heirs - all while reducing their taxable estate. It's another layer of the wealth preservation puzzle that works especially well when combined with the borrowing strategies everyone's been discussing.
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Lourdes Fox
•This is fascinating - I had no idea charitable trusts could be used this way! So they basically get to have their cake and eat it too? They look generous publicly, get massive tax breaks, but still maintain control over the money through the foundation structure? That seems like it would make the "buy, borrow, die" strategy even more powerful since they're reducing their taxable estate through these charitable donations while still accessing liquidity through loans. Do you know if there are limits on how much they can donate this way, or requirements about how much actually has to go to real charitable causes versus just administrative costs?
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