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Freya Thomsen

How do wealthy people like Elon Musk avoid paying taxes on their wealth?

I was watching a YouTube video that explained how billionaires like Elon Musk minimize their tax burden. From what I understand, they don't take traditional salaries but instead get compensated through stock options. Then they go to banks and take out loans using their stock portfolio as collateral. This way, when their stock value increases, they don't have to pay capital gains taxes because they never actually sold the shares. Meanwhile, they can live off the money borrowed from the bank rather than selling assets and triggering tax events. But here's what I don't get: **how do they eventually pay back these loans plus interest?** Don't these loans require regular payments? If they're not selling stocks (which would trigger taxes), where does the money come from to service the debt? I've searched for videos explaining the complete cycle of this strategy (what happens after they get the loan), but I can't find any clear explanations. I'm really curious about how this works as a complete system. Can someone explain the full process? How do they manage these loans in the long term without eventually having to sell assets and pay taxes?

Omar Zaki

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What you're describing is called the "buy, borrow, die" strategy that wealthy individuals use. Here's how the full cycle works: First, they get compensated in stock options rather than cash salary. This means they're only taxed on the initial grant value, not the growth. Then they take loans against their stock portfolio at very favorable interest rates (often 1-3%) because they're considered low-risk borrowers. For your specific question about repayment: They typically don't repay the entire loan. Instead, they make interest-only payments, which can be tax-deductible in certain situations. When they need more cash, they take out new loans to pay off the old ones, using their appreciated stock as collateral. Eventually, when they die, their heirs receive the assets with a "stepped-up basis," meaning the capital gains tax slate is wiped clean. The heirs can then sell some assets to pay off outstanding loans without paying taxes on years of appreciation. It's a strategy that works specifically because they have enormous assets that continuously appreciate and can secure extremely favorable lending terms that regular folks can't access.

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AstroAce

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But wouldn't the interest payments eventually add up to be more than just paying taxes? Like if you're borrowing millions, even at 3% that's still a lot of money in interest every year?

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Omar Zaki

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The math actually works strongly in their favor. Let's say someone has $100 million in stock growing at 8% annually. If they sold $5 million to live on, they'd pay around $1 million in capital gains taxes (20% federal plus state taxes). That's a permanent loss of capital. Instead, they borrow $5 million at 3% interest, paying $150,000 annually. Meanwhile, their untouched $100 million portfolio grows by $8 million that year. They're paying $150,000 to avoid $1 million in taxes, while their asset base continues to grow. The growth far outpaces the interest costs. Additionally, the wealthy can often structure their affairs so some interest payments are tax-deductible, further reducing the effective cost of this strategy.

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Chloe Martin

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I actually tried using a version of this strategy through taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and it was super helpful in understanding the loan-against-securities approach. I'm obviously not Elon-rich but had some company stock options and was looking at the most tax-efficient way to handle them. The platform analyzed my stock compensation documents and showed me exactly how the "buy, borrow, die" strategy could be scaled down to my situation. It outlined the tax implications of different approaches and estimated how much I could borrow against my securities without creating risky leverage. What surprised me most was learning about portfolio loan interest rates available to different wealth tiers and how to optimize the timing of any eventual stock sales to minimize tax impact.

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Diego Rojas

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Wait for real? Does it actually give you like step by step instructions for doing this yourself? I've got some Tesla shares I've been holding since 2019 and I've been afraid to sell because of the tax hit.

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I'm skeptical. These ultra-wealthy strategies seem like they'd only work if you have tens of millions. Did it actually work for your situation or is this just theoretical?

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Chloe Martin

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It doesn't give you a cookie-cutter template because everyone's situation is different, but it does provide personalized analysis. You upload your stock grant documents and current holdings, and it creates scenarios based on your specific situation. For the skeptical question - you're right that the full "never sell" approach really only works at ultra-high net worth, but there are scaled-down versions that work for upper-middle class folks with significant stock holdings. In my case, I was able to establish a securities-backed line of credit at 4.2% and used it for a home renovation instead of selling stocks during a market dip, which would have triggered a substantial capital gains tax. The system helped me calculate exactly how much I could safely borrow without risking a margin call if the market dropped further.

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Diego Rojas

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Just wanted to follow up - I tried taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and it was eye-opening! I uploaded my Tesla stock info and it showed me exactly how much tax I'd pay if I sold vs. options for borrowing against it. The platform recommended a securities-backed line of credit through my brokerage instead of selling shares to fund a down payment on a property I'm looking at. The analysis showed I'd save about $13,500 in capital gains tax while only paying about $2,800 in annual interest on the loan. Plus I keep my Tesla shares that might continue to grow. They also explained how to handle eventual repayment without triggering big tax events. Definitely not the full "Elon strategy" but a smaller version that actually works for someone like me with a decent but not massive portfolio.

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Zara Ahmed

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How does this even work? The IRS phone system is literally designed to hang up on people when they're too busy. How can some service magically get through?

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StarStrider

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Sounds like BS to me. If it was that easy to get IRS agents on the phone everyone would be doing it. I've been trying for MONTHS to get an actual person at the IRS.

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They use an automated system that continuously redials and navigates the IRS phone tree until it finds an open line. It's not magic - just technology that handles the frustrating part of trying to reach the IRS. Once they get through, they call you and connect you directly to the agent. The IRS phone system isn't "designed" to hang up on people - it just does that when all lines are busy, which is most of the time these days. The service basically does what you'd do if you had infinite patience and time to keep redialing.

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StarStrider

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I have to eat my words. After being super skeptical about Claimyr, I was desperate enough to try it yesterday. I had been trying to get clear guidance on investment loan interest deductibility for MONTHS with no success. To my complete shock, I was connected to an IRS agent in about 35 minutes. The agent actually walked me through the exact requirements for when interest on loans against securities is tax-deductible (basically, if you use the loan for investment purposes, the interest can often be deducted, but not if you use it for personal expenses). This clarified a major question I had about the "buy, borrow, die" strategy - the interest isn't automatically deductible unless the borrowed money is used for generating taxable income. Elon and other billionaires likely use more complex structures to make their interest payments deductible. Anyway, sorry for being so negative before. The service actually delivered exactly what it promised.

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Luca Esposito

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Another aspect of this strategy not mentioned yet is that billionaires like Musk will sometimes strategically take huge income in certain years when it benefits them. For example, when Musk exercised a bunch of options in 2021, he ended up paying something like $11 billion in taxes that year. This was a calculated move because those options were going to expire, and he structured his compensation that way intentionally. The wealthy are playing a different game with different rules. They'll often go years paying minimal taxes using the loan strategy, then have one big tax year, then go back to minimal taxes. Their effective tax rate over decades remains extremely low compared to their wealth growth.

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Nia Thompson

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I've always wondered - don't these billionaires get audited like crazy by the IRS? How do they get away with this stuff if it's sketchy?

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Luca Esposito

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The key thing to understand is that most of these strategies are completely legal. The IRS can audit them all they want, but they won't find anything technically wrong. The buy-borrow-die approach doesn't violate any tax laws - it exploits the fact that our tax system only taxes realized gains, not unrealized appreciation. When Musk or other billionaires are audited, their tax returns are likely completely compliant with tax law. The system itself is designed with these loopholes. That's why many advocate for policy changes like a wealth tax or unrealized gains tax rather than just better enforcement of existing laws.

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Something I don't see mentioned is that sometimes these billionaires DO sell stock. Musk has sold billions in Tesla stock at various points. When they do need to sell, they often offset gains with losses elsewhere in their portfolio (tax-loss harvesting) or time sales to coincide with charitable donations that provide tax deductions. They might also time some sales for years when they have business losses to offset the gains. It's not that they never sell - they just do it strategically and as a last resort, preferring to use the loan strategy for most of their cash needs.

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That makes more sense. I couldn't figure out how they could NEVER sell anything. So basically they use loans for most expenses and then occasionally sell when they can minimize the tax impact?

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Caden Turner

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One thing that's worth mentioning is that this strategy also depends heavily on having assets that consistently appreciate over time. The "buy, borrow, die" approach works great when your stock portfolio is growing at 7-10% annually, but it can become problematic during extended bear markets. If someone borrowed heavily against their portfolio and then the market crashed (like in 2008 or early 2020), they could face margin calls requiring them to either put up more collateral or sell assets at exactly the wrong time. This is why most wealthy individuals using this strategy maintain conservative loan-to-value ratios and have diversified asset bases. For billionaires like Musk, they often have multiple revenue streams and can weather market volatility, but it's not a risk-free strategy. The timing and amount of borrowing is crucial to avoid forced liquidations during market downturns.

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This is a really important point that often gets overlooked when people talk about these wealth strategies. I remember during the March 2020 crash, even some billionaires had to sell assets because their loan agreements required maintaining certain collateral ratios. It makes me wonder - do these ultra-wealthy individuals have some kind of insurance or backup plans for when markets tank? Or do they just accept that occasionally they'll be forced to realize gains and pay taxes during bad market conditions? Also, for someone like me who's considering a much smaller version of this strategy with my company stock, what would be a "safe" loan-to-value ratio to avoid getting into trouble if the market drops 30-40%?

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