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Quick tip: If you're filing an extension because you're missing a W-2, you should also fill out Form 4852 (Substitute for W-2) when you eventually file your taxes. You can use your last paystub to complete this form. I had to do this last year when my employer went bankrupt and never sent final W-2s.

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Thanks for this tip about Form 4852! I didn't know that was an option. Do you have to try contacting your employer first before using this form? And did you face any issues with the IRS accepting your return with the substitute form?

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Yes, you should make a reasonable effort to get your W-2 from your employer first. The form asks you to describe the steps you took to obtain the missing W-2. In my case, I documented my calls to the company's HR department and the bankruptcy trustee. I didn't have any issues with the IRS accepting my return with Form 4852. Just make sure your income and withholding estimates are as accurate as possible using your last paystub. If your employer eventually sends a W-2 that differs significantly from your estimates, you might need to file an amended return, but in my experience the paystub information was very close to what would have been on the W-2.

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Has anyone had experience with what happens if you file an extension but your estimate is WAY off? Like if i estimate I owe $2000 but it turns out to be $5000 when I finally do my taxes, am I screwed with penalties??

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Lucas Bey

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I accidentally underestimated by about $3k last year. Got hit with the failure-to-pay penalty (0.5% per month on the unpaid amount) plus interest. For me it ended up being about $120 in penalties total. Not the end of the world but definitely avoidable if you can estimate better.

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I've found that if you can show you made a "good faith effort" to estimate correctly, sometimes the IRS will waive the penalties. Document everything about why your estimate was off. In my case, I had a surprise capital gains distribution from a mutual fund that I didn't know about when filing the extension, and the IRS accepted my explanation and waived most of the penalties.

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StarSurfer

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You definitely hit the marriage penalty zone. My wife and I are in similar income brackets and had the same shock. Two tips that helped us: 1) Use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online to adjust your W-4s properly for next year, and 2) consider maxing out pretax retirement contributions to lower your taxable income. We put more into our 401ks and HSAs and it helped reduce the penalty effect significantly.

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Amina Bah

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Thanks for the advice! Is the IRS calculator easy to use? We're definitely going to look into increasing our 401k contributions too.

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StarSurfer

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The IRS calculator is pretty straightforward. Just have your most recent paystubs and tax return handy. It walks you step by step and gives you exact numbers to put on your W-4. Took me about 15 minutes to complete. For the 401k strategy, it made a big difference for us. If you both max out at $23,000 each (for 2025), that's $46,000 of income that moves from your highest tax bracket down to zero tax now. Plus it helps with retirement, obviously. The HSA is another great option if you have a high-deductible health plan - that's another $8,300 you can shield from taxes if you're on a family plan.

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Has anyone tried running the numbers for married filing separately? Sometimes that works better for couples in the higher income brackets or with certain deductions.

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Usually MFS is worse than MFJ for most people. You lose a bunch of credits and deductions when filing separately. I'm a tax preparer and only recommend it in very specific situations like income-based student loan repayment or when one spouse has sketchy tax issues.

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NebulaNinja

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Don't forget that you can also potentially lower your AGI through HSA contributions if you have a high-deductible health plan! We were in a similar situation and contributed to both an IRA and maxed out our HSA to get under the EITC threshold. The nice thing about HSA is that the money can be used tax-free for medical expenses, so it's like a double benefit.

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Ravi Patel

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I hadn't even considered the HSA option! We do have a high-deductible plan through my wife's work. Do HSA contributions have the same deadline as IRA contributions where we can make them up until tax day?

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NebulaNinja

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Yes, HSA contributions follow the same deadline as IRA contributions! You can make contributions for the previous tax year up until the tax filing deadline (usually April 15th). Your HSA provider will give you the option to designate which tax year the contribution is for when you make it between January and April. For 2025, the contribution limit for family coverage is $8,300 (it may be adjusted for inflation), which gives you significant room to reduce your AGI. The great part about HSAs is that unlike FSAs, the money never expires, and you can invest it for the long term if you don't need it for immediate medical expenses.

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Luca Russo

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Just be careful about investment income when qualifying for EITC. Even if you reduce your AGI with IRA contributions, you still need to have investment income below $11,000 for 2025. This includes interest, dividends, capital gains, etc. You mentioned credit union interest - make sure all your investment income combined stays below this threshold.

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Nia Wilson

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Wait, really? I thought EITC was just based on AGI and number of kids. What's this about investment income? Now I'm worried because I sold some stocks this year...

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Your bf needs to be upfront with you about everything before you buy a house together. Not filing for 3+ years as a 1099 contractor means he probably owes a LOT in back taxes, penalties, and interest. Plus he's missed years of Social Security contributions which affects retirement. My ex was in construction too and hid his tax problems until after we were married. Ended up with a $47k tax bill and a lien on our house. Don't make my mistake.

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Thank you for the warning. I'm definitely concerned about what else might be lurking that I don't know about. Do you think we should postpone house hunting until this is completely resolved? How long did it take your ex to get everything cleared up?

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Absolutely postpone house hunting until this is 100% resolved. You don't want your dream home connected to his tax issues in any way. It took my ex almost 18 months to get everything sorted out and set up on a payment plan, and that was with hiring a tax resolution firm. Besides the immediate tax issues, consider this a pretty big red flag about financial responsibility and communication. Not filing taxes for multiple years doesn't happen by accident - it's a series of deliberate choices. Before joining finances in any way (including a mortgage), make sure you're comfortable with his approach to money and obligations.

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StarSurfer

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Don't panic! I'm in construction too and got 4 years behind on taxes. What saved me was all my legitimate business deductions: - Mileage to/from jobsites - Tools and equipment - Work clothes/boots/safety gear - Cell phone (% used for work) - Supplies and materials - Insurance - Continuing education/certifications Get him to collect ALL receipts and bank statements. If he paid for anything related to work, it might be deductible. This brought my tax bill down by like 40%!

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Carmen Reyes

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This is good advice but some of those deductions might not be allowed. Like the IRS doesn't consider regular commuting as deductible mileage, only travel between job sites. And clothes have to be specialized for the job, not just stuff you could wear elsewhere.

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Tasia Synder

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Something else to consider - if your income might be lower next year or medical expenses higher, it might be worth bunching your medical procedures. I had a bunch of dental work that I could schedule either in December or January, and my tax guy suggested pushing everything to January since I knew I'd have additional medical expenses that year too. Ended up being able to itemize and save about $700 by bunching two years of medical expenses into one tax year.

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That's a really smart approach I hadn't considered. I do have some procedures I've been putting off that aren't urgent. If I bundle everything together in one tax year, that might push me over the threshold where itemizing makes sense. Did you find it complicated to coordinate the timing with your providers?

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Tasia Synder

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It wasn't too difficult to coordinate with providers. Most medical offices are used to patients timing procedures for insurance reasons anyway, so they didn't bat an eye when I asked to schedule in January instead of December. Just make sure you're clear about your timing needs when scheduling. And keep in mind that some procedures might have wait times, so plan ahead. Also, don't let tax considerations override medical necessity - if you need something urgently, get it done regardless of the tax implications.

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Don't forget about dependent care! If you're paying medical expenses for a qualifying dependent (like a parent), those count too even if they don't live with you. Helped me reach the threshold last year when my mom had some major expenses and I was her primary support person.

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What qualifies someone as a dependent for medical expense purposes? My dad lives with me and I pay most of his bills, but he gets social security. Does that disqualify him?

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