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As a married guy who's been filing jointly for years, here's my two cents - if your financial situation is just two W-2s and standard deductions, TurboTax will work fine. But if you start having investments, rental property, or significant itemized deductions, an accountant starts to pay for themselves. The first year filing jointly is a good time to establish a relationship with an accountant. Even if you don't use them every year, having someone who knows your tax situation can be invaluable when more complex questions come up. One thing to consider - at your income level, you might be approaching some phase-out thresholds for certain deductions and credits. An accountant might help identify tax planning opportunities for future years.
For the tax debt situation specifically, an accountant can provide strategic advice, but they don't have any special access to the IRS. They'd likely advise you to contact the IRS directly to set up a payment plan or explore settlement options. A tax professional might be able to help determine if any of the debt can be addressed through penalty abatement requests or other relief programs. They can also advise on whether filing jointly or separately makes more sense given the outstanding debt. But for actually resolving the debt, you'll still need to work directly with the IRS one way or another.
Make sure you look into the marriage penalty! My spouse and I were shocked when we filed jointly for the first time. Our combined income pushed us into a higher bracket and we ended up owing way more than we expected. The worst part was realizing after the fact that we could have saved money by filing separately that year. Def run the numbers both ways before deciding!!
The marriage penalty isn't as bad as it used to be after the 2017 tax changes, but it can still hit high earners. At their income level (over $400k combined), they could definitely face some penalty. I'd suggest looking at the actual tax brackets for 2024 and calculating both ways. Don't just assume joint is better!
I had a similar issue happen to me but with a different number - it was showing $76,892 for my business vehicle when I only drove like 12,000 miles. Turns out I had entered the vehicle purchase price in a field meant for annual expenses. Check if you maybe entered the value of the van somewhere??
That's a really good point - I did buy this van new for around $67,000 last year. Maybe I entered the purchase price somewhere I shouldn't have and then the software added depreciation or something on top of it? I'm going to go back and look for that. Maybe it's also accounting for future depreciation in some weird way? Thanks for the suggestion!
You're welcome! Yeah, that's almost certainly what happened. The purchase price should only be entered in the asset/depreciation section, not as a direct expense. The software will then calculate the correct amount you can deduct each year based on depreciation rules. If you bought a $67k van, the software is probably trying to depreciate it plus adding your maintenance costs plus calculating mileage. Triple counting! Once you fix where you entered the purchase price, everything should look more normal.
Def double dipping! U can't take standard mileage AND actual expenses. Pick one! I do taxes and see this all the time. W standard mileage at 65.5 cents per mile, 4000 miles = $2,620 deduction. If actual expenses (gas, maintenance, insurance, etc) + depreciation is more than $2,620, do that instead. But NOT BOTH!!!!!
Is that 65.5 cents still accurate for 2024 taxes? I thought I saw somewhere that the IRS changed the rate again.
One thing I learned the hard way with amendments - if you wait too long after discovering an error, the IRS can technically consider it "willful neglect" which carries much higher penalties. I'm not saying this to scare you, but just something to be aware of. In your case, waiting a few weeks for your refund is fine, but I wouldn't wait months. The official rule is that you should file an amendment "promptly after discovering the error" - which isn't very specific, I know. Generally, within 30-60 days of discovering the error keeps you in the clear.
Would the IRS actually know when I "discovered" the error though? Like if I file the amendment in a month, couldn't I just say I discovered it then? Not trying to be deceptive, just wondering how they determine when you knew about a mistake.
Technically the IRS doesn't know when you discovered the error unless there's some obvious paper trail (like they sent you a notice about it). However, I always advise being honest because if you ever did face an audit or review, lying about when you discovered an error could significantly compound your problems. In practice, filing an amendment within 1-2 months is generally considered prompt enough that the timing wouldn't be questioned. The IRS is primarily concerned with willful, long-term neglect - like someone discovering an error and waiting a year or more to correct it. Your scenario of waiting a few weeks for your refund before filing the amendment is completely reasonable.
I had almost the identical situation last year, but I went ahead and e-filed the amendment right away before getting my refund. Big mistake! The original refund and the amount I owed from the amendment got caught in this weird processing limbo where they wouldn't offset each other automatically. I ended up with the IRS sending me the full original refund, then a separate bill for what I owed plus a small penalty because the system didn't recognize I was trying to fix my own mistake proactively. Took almost 6 months and multiple calls to straighten out.
Another option is to use the IRS Free File Fillable Forms. It's completely free no matter what credits you qualify for. The downside is that it's basically like filling out paper forms but on a computer - there's minimal guidance. But if you're fairly comfortable with taxes and just need to claim the Retirement Savings Credit, it might be worth looking into.
Does the IRS Free File Fillable Forms have any income limits? I make around $85k and often get locked out of the "free" options.
The Free File Fillable Forms have no income limits at all - they're available to everyone regardless of income. That's different from the IRS Free File Program partners (like TurboTax Free File, etc.) which typically have a $73,000 income limit. The trade-off is that Fillable Forms provide no guidance or calculations - you're basically just filling in digital versions of the paper forms. You need to know which forms to complete and how to do the calculations yourself. Form 8880 for the Retirement Savings Credit isn't terribly complicated though, especially if you're just claiming for yourself and spouse.
Just so you know, the Retirement Savings Contributions Credit phases out at higher income levels. If you're married filing jointly, it starts phasing out at $43,500 and completely disappears at $73,000 (for 2023 taxes). For singles, it phases out between $21,750-$36,500. Are you sure you actually qualify? If you're right on the edge, maybe double-check your AGI calculation. You might not actually qualify for the credit, which would solve the problem entirely.
QuantumQuest
Something else to consider - check if you're paying the correct estimated quarterly taxes for your husband's business. As a reseller, he's self-employed and should be making quarterly payments if he expects to owe more than $1,000 in taxes for the year. This was a painful lesson for me my first year selling online. I made good money but didn't pay quarterly, and got hit with underpayment penalties on top of a big tax bill. Now I set aside about 30% of profits each quarter and make estimated payments. Completely avoided surprises this year!
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Mateo Rodriguez
ā¢I didn't even think about quarterly taxes! We haven't been paying anything throughout the year. Is it too late to fix this for last year? And how do we figure out how much to pay each quarter going forward?
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QuantumQuest
ā¢It's too late to fix last year's quarterly payments now, but you can avoid penalties going forward by starting them this year. For most resellers, you need to pay estimated taxes if you expect to owe $1,000+ at tax time. For calculating the amount, you can either pay 100% of last year's tax liability divided into four payments (the "safe harbor" method), or 90% of what you expect to owe this year. I personally set aside 30% of my net profit each month and make payments on the quarterly due dates (April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15). There's a form called 1040-ES that helps with calculations, or your tax software should have an estimated tax calculator. Start now and you'll avoid the shock next tax season!
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Jamal Anderson
Don't forget about state taxes too! A lot of resellers focus so much on federal that they forget their state might also require quarterly payments and have different rules for deductions.
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Mei Zhang
ā¢And sales tax! If you're selling online, the marketplace might collect it for you (like eBay or Amazon) but if you sell directly you might need to collect and remit sales tax depending on your state and sales volume. That tripped me up my first year.
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