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Paolo Conti

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Just FYI - if you contributed to a Roth IRA when your income was too high, you might want to consider a "recharacterization" instead of a return of excess. This converts your Roth contribution to a Traditional IRA contribution instead of taking the money out completely. If you're eligible to deduct Traditional IRA contributions, this might be better tax-wise. Or if you're not eligible to deduct them, you could then do a backdoor Roth conversion. Might be worth asking Vanguard about this option too!

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Amina Sow

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Is there a time limit on recharacterization though? OP is talking about a 2021 contribution which was over 2 years ago. I thought recharacterization had to be done before the tax filing deadline?

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Paolo Conti

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You're absolutely right, and that's a critical point I should have clarified. Recharacterizations do need to be completed by your tax filing deadline including extensions (typically October 15th of the year following the contribution). For a 2021 contribution, that deadline has long passed, so recharacterization isn't an option anymore. At this point, the return of excess is indeed the only way to correct the issue. Thanks for pointing this out - I should have been clearer about the timing limitations.

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GalaxyGazer

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Has anyone actually calculated how much the penalties would be for this? I'm in a similar situation with about $4500 in excess contributions from 2021, and I'm wondering if it might just be cheaper to leave it in there and pay the penalty rather than go through all this hassle. Would it be 6% of $4500, so like $270 per year?

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Dmitry Popov

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That's a dangerous approach to take. Yes, the excess contribution penalty is 6% per year, but it continues EVERY year until you fix the problem. So it's not just a one-time $270 penalty - you'd pay that $270 every single year indefinitely until you correct the excess contribution. Plus, having known excess contributions in your account could potentially cause issues if you ever get audited. The IRS might view it as an intentional violation once you're aware of the problem. Better to fix it now and just pay the penalty for the years it was already in there.

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GalaxyGazer

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That makes sense, I didn't realize the penalty continues every year! Definitely not worth saving a little hassle now to keep paying penalties forever. Thanks for explaining that - I'll call Vanguard tomorrow to start the process of removing my excess contribution too.

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Ella Cofer

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Regarding the original post - I'm pretty sure Letter 3064C is specifically related to the CARES Act provision where employers could defer paying their portion of Social Security tax in 2020. Regular employees should NOT be liable for this. Does the letter have your social security number on it or a business EIN? That would be a key clue whether they're trying to collect from you personally or if there's just some mixup with addresses.

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Ellie Kim

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It has my SSN on it! That's why I'm so confused and worried. It specifically mentions the "employer's share" but it's addressed to me personally with my social security number. I've worked for this company for 5 years but I'm just a regular employee - not a manager, not an owner, nothing. I just do construction work.

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Ella Cofer

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That's definitely concerning that it has your SSN on it. This suggests either a serious IRS error or potentially something more problematic is happening with your employer. Here's what I recommend: 1) Call the IRS using the number on the letter and explain you're just a regular employee with no financial authority, 2) Request a copy of any tax filings that listed you as responsible for the company's taxes, and 3) Document everything including the person you speak with. There's a small possibility your employer may have listed you as an officer or responsible person without your knowledge, which would be very problematic. Don't ignore this - addressing it promptly is important.

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Kevin Bell

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Did you possibly have any 1099 work or side business during the pandemic years? The CARES Act allowed self-employed people to defer their Social Security tax payments too, not just regular businesses with employees. If you did any independent contractor work, that might explain why you're getting this letter.

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Ellie Kim

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I did do some side jobs on weekends during 2020-2021, but I didn't think it was enough to matter. Maybe like $5,300 total across both years. I reported it on my taxes but I didn't know anything about deferring Social Security taxes - I definitely never consciously chose to defer any taxes!

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This is probably it. If you reported self-employment income on Schedule C during 2020, you were eligible to defer the employer portion of self-employment taxes under the CARES Act. Some tax software automatically applied this deferral as a benefit without making it super clear to users. The deferred amounts were due in two payments - 50% by December 31, 2021, and the remaining 50% by December 31, 2022. If you didn't make those payments, that would explain the letter you're getting now.

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Lourdes Fox

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Another option is to open your own bank account if possible. Some banks offer teen accounts that your parents don't have access to. Then you can have your refund direct deposited there. If your dad is filing your taxes for you, make sure you see the final return before it's submitted and verify your refund is going to YOUR account, not his. If he's e-filing, you should be able to see where the refund is being directed.

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Daniel White

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Can I even open my own bank account at 17 though? I thought you had to be 18 to do that without a parent.

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Lourdes Fox

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Most major banks offer teen checking accounts starting around age 13-16, but they typically require a parent as a co-owner until you're 18. However, some credit unions and online banks have better options for minors with more privacy. Even with a joint account, your dad would technically be violating the account agreement if he took money that was clearly yours (like a tax refund) for his own use. You could also consider asking another trusted adult (like an aunt, uncle, or grandparent) to help you open an account instead of your dad.

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I had this exact situation when I was 16! My dad tried to claim my $700 refund and I ended up filing my own taxes (super easy with free tax software) and getting the money sent to my aunt's address as a paper check. My dad was LIVID but couldn't do anything about it. Just make sure you file BEFORE your dad tries to claim your income on his taxes. If he's already filed and included your income incorrectly, it gets more complicated.

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What tax software did you use? I'm in the same situation and need something simple.

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From my experience as a tax preparer, here's a practical answer: for fed taxes, an $84 change to your W2 would result in roughly $20 extra tax depending on your bracket. State would be even less. Technically yes, you're supposed to amend. Realistically? The chance of the IRS coming after you for this is extremely low. They have bigger fish to fry. But if you're the rule-following type or plan to apply for a mortgage or something where super clean tax records matter, then go ahead and file the 1040-X. Just my two cents - not telling you to break rules, just being practical about the situation!

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Chris King

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Do you know how much it typically costs to file an amended return if you use a tax preparer? I'm in a similar boat but with a $120 discrepancy and wondering if it's worth paying someone to fix it.

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Most tax preparers charge between $75-150 to file an amended return, even for something simple like this. This is why many people choose not to amend for very small amounts - the preparation fee often exceeds the tax difference. If you're comfortable doing it yourself, you can file a 1040-X for free. It's not extremely complicated for a simple W2 correction. You'd just need to fill out the form showing the original amounts, the corrected amounts, and the difference, then provide a brief explanation like "Received W2c from employer with wage adjustment.

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Rachel Clark

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I'm confused about something - when you get a W2c, doesn't the employer also send that information to the IRS? So wouldn't they already know about the correction and expect your numbers to match up?

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Yes, your employer sends the corrected W2c to the Social Security Administration, which then shares the info with the IRS. So the IRS will eventually have both sets of numbers. This is actually why small discrepancies like this sometimes get flagged in their automated system - their records won't match what you filed.

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Oscar O'Neil

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I'm an expatriate tax consultant, and this exact example confuses many of my clients. Here's the clearest way I can explain it: The physical presence test requires 330 full days of presence in a foreign country during a period of 12 consecutive months. In the example, counting forward 330 days from June 1, 2022 (excluding US days) gets you to May 12, 2023. Now you need to identify which 12-month period contains those 330 days. The period must end on May 11, 2023 (not May 12) because: - If the period ended on May 12, 2023, it would start on May 13, 2022 - But your qualifying foreign presence began on June 1, 2022 - So a period from May 13, 2022 to May 12, 2023 would include days before you established foreign presence That's why they use May 11 as the end date - to create a 12-month period (May 12, 2022 to May 11, 2023) that properly contains all your qualifying days.

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But if I started my foreign assignment on April 15, 2022 (earlier than the example's June 1), wouldn't the period from May 13, 2022 to May 12, 2023 work just fine? All those days would still be within my foreign presence period, right?

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Oscar O'Neil

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If you started your foreign assignment on April 15, 2022, then yes, a period from May 13, 2022 to May 12, 2023 would technically work for you. But the IRS example is specifically dealing with someone who began their foreign presence on June 1, 2022. The key is finding the optimal 12-month period that maximizes your qualifying days. If you started on April 15, you might actually have a different optimal 12-month period than the one in the example. You'd need to count forward 330 days from your start date (accounting for any US visits) and then establish your specific 12-month period.

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Anyone know if 2025 is bringing any changes to the FEIE physical presence test? I've heard rumors about the IRS tightening the rules for digital nomads who bounce between countries. Will this counting method stay the same?

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Liv Park

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As far as I know, the basic mechanics of the physical presence test aren't changing for 2025. The 330-day requirement and 12-month period calculation should remain the same. What might be getting more scrutiny is whether digital nomads truly have a "tax home" in a foreign country, which is a separate requirement for the FEIE.

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