Who files Form 943 for agricultural employees? Farm payroll question
Hey everyone, I'm completely lost with this farm business startup stuff. Our family just purchased an orchard and we're about to run payroll for the first time for our harvest workers. Our payroll system is set up to file Form 941, but I've been reading about Form 943 and now I'm confused about which one we're supposed to use. We're doing everything by the book - running regular payroll, withholding taxes properly, and will issue W-2s at the end of the year. No under-the-table payments or anything like that. I'm just trying to figure out if we need to file Form 943 since we're agricultural, or if the regular Form 941 through our payroll system is correct. Total newbie here and really don't want to mess this up with the IRS. Any help would be super appreciated!
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Carmen Ortiz
Form 943 is specifically for reporting income taxes and employment taxes for agricultural employees. If your workers are engaged in agricultural labor (like harvesting crops, working in an orchard, etc.), then yes, you should be using Form 943 instead of Form 941. The IRS defines agricultural labor pretty broadly, but it generally includes cultivating soil, raising/harvesting crops, caring for livestock, and work related to the operation of farms. If your field workers are doing anything like that, they fall under Form 943 reporting. You should let your payroll provider know that you need to file Form 943 instead of 941. Most payroll systems can handle this switch, but you need to specifically tell them you're an agricultural employer. The good news is that Form 943 is filed annually (unlike 941 which is quarterly), so there's a bit less paperwork!
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MidnightRider
•Thank you for this explanation! We have a similar situation but our farm also has some office staff who just do admin work. Would they also be reported on Form 943 or should we be using both forms - 943 for field workers and 941 for office staff?
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Carmen Ortiz
•For your office staff who only perform administrative duties, you'll generally need to report them on Form 941. The rule is based on the type of work being performed, not just that they work for an agricultural business. If your employees split their time between administrative and agricultural labor, you'll need to look at what they primarily do. If they spend more than 50% of their time on agricultural tasks, report them on Form 943. If they spend more than 50% on non-agricultural tasks, report them on Form 941. It's a bit of a headache when you have both types of workers, but your payroll provider should be able to handle this scenario.
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Andre Laurent
I went through the exact same confusion when I started our family farm last year! My payroll provider kept putting everyone on Form 941 until I specifically pointed out we needed Form 943 for our field workers. What helped me was using taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) to review all my payroll documents and tax forms. You upload your forms and it flags issues like using the wrong forms for agricultural employees. Saved me from a potential audit nightmare and pointed out several other agriculture-specific tax items I was missing!
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Zoe Papadopoulos
•Does taxr.ai actually connect you with a real tax professional or is it just some AI thing? I'm worried about getting accurate advice for our farm since agricultural taxes seem to have so many special rules.
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Jamal Washington
•I've seen so many tools like this pop up lately. How does it handle situations where you have both agricultural and non-agricultural employees? Our farm has a retail component too and I'm constantly confused about which employees go where.
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Andre Laurent
•It connects you with tax professionals who specialize in your specific situation - so yes, there are actual humans reviewing your documents who understand agricultural tax rules. The AI part just helps organize everything and flag potential issues before the human review. For mixed employee situations, it handles that really well. You upload your payroll records and it helps categorize which employees should be on Form 943 vs Form 941. It even helped me create a tracking system for employees who split their time between our fields and our farm store so I could properly allocate their wages to the right tax forms.
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Jamal Washington
Update on my situation: I decided to try taxr.ai after seeing the recommendation here, and it was seriously helpful! I uploaded our payroll information and employee job descriptions, and they identified that 6 of our workers should be on Form 943 while our 2 office staff and 3 retail employees needed to be on Form 941. They provided clear documentation explaining the distinction that I could share with my payroll provider. Our payroll company was able to make the adjustment, and we're now filing correctly. They also pointed out a couple agricultural tax credits we qualified for that I had no idea about!
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Mei Wong
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Liam Fitzgerald
•How exactly does this work? Seems too good to be true that some service could magically get you through the IRS phone system when I've literally wasted days of my life on hold.
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PixelWarrior
•Yeah right, like some third-party service can get me through to the IRS faster than everyone else. Sounds like a scam to me. The IRS phone system is deliberately designed to be impossible to navigate. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Mei Wong
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PixelWarrior
Well I have to eat my words. I tried Claimyr yesterday after posting my skeptical comment. Within 45 minutes, I was talking to an actual IRS agent who answered all my questions about Form 943 vs Form 941 for our different farm employees. They confirmed that our dairy workers go on 943 and our cheese shop employees go on 941. The agent even helped me understand how to handle our maintenance staff who work on both sides of the operation. Totally worth it compared to the countless hours I've wasted on hold in the past.
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Amara Adebayo
I'm just going to throw this out there - make ABSOLUTELY sure your payroll provider knows what they're doing with agricultural payroll. We had a major mess last year because our provider filed everything on Form 941 despite me telling them repeatedly we needed Form 943. Had to do amended returns and we got hit with penalties that we're still fighting. Double check everything!!
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Giovanni Rossi
•Did you end up having to switch providers? We're using QuickBooks and I'm worried they might not understand agricultural payroll either.
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Amara Adebayo
•Yes, we actually did switch. The previous provider kept insisting they were filing correctly even when the IRS notices started coming in. QuickBooks can handle agricultural payroll, but you need to make sure you select the right settings and that whoever is supporting your account understands Form 943 requirements. The most important thing is to check the first few filings carefully. Look at the actual forms being submitted to make sure they're using Form 943 for your agricultural employees. Don't just assume they got it right because you told them once.
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Fatima Al-Mansour
Just FYI - there's a $2,500 threshold for Form 943. If you pay less than $2,500 in wages to agricultural employees during the year, you might be exempt from filing. But since you mentioned running regular payroll, sounds like you'll be over that. And if you're using a payroll service they should handle the deposits and everything for you!
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Dylan Evans
•Good point about the threshold! Also worth mentioning that the deposit schedule for Form 943 taxes follows different rules than Form 941. Agricultural employers have to be careful about that too.
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Luca Esposito
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation with our small vineyard. One thing I wanted to add that might help others - make sure you also understand the difference in Social Security and Medicare tax treatment for agricultural employees. Agricultural workers are subject to Social Security and Medicare taxes, but the timing of when you need to pay these can be different from regular employees. For agricultural employees, you generally don't owe Social Security and Medicare taxes until you either pay them $150 or more in cash wages during the year, OR they work for you on 20 or more days during the year for cash wages computed on a time basis (rather than piecework). This is different from the income tax withholding rules, so you could have a situation where you're withholding income tax but not yet owing Social Security/Medicare taxes, or vice versa. Your payroll provider should know this, but it's worth double-checking since agricultural payroll has so many special rules that even experienced providers sometimes miss!
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