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Isabella Ferreira

How do I manually calculate payroll taxes for cash payments made to my construction employees?

I run a small construction business and I'm in a bit of a bind with my taxes. For 2024, I paid three of my workers in cash that I withdrew directly from ATMs. I kept putting off dealing with the tax situation, but now I really need to figure out what to do with all these cash withdrawal transactions. I've gotten different advice from people - some say I should just issue 1099s to the workers, while others suggest I need to go back and manually calculate all the wages and payroll taxes for each employee, then work out the 941 forms by hand too. I do have records showing exactly how much each worker was paid throughout the year. What's the right approach here? I'm leaning toward the manual calculation of payroll taxes, and I've started working on it, but everything is incredibly complicated and I'm worried I'm doing it completely wrong. At this point, I'm seriously considering just hiring a CPA to handle this mess, but that's another expense I wasn't planning on.

Ravi Sharma

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This is actually a pretty common situation in construction. Since you paid employees (not independent contractors) in cash, you still have payroll tax obligations regardless of payment method. First, don't issue 1099s - that's for independent contractors, not employees. That could create bigger problems down the road. Your employees should receive W-2s, not 1099s. For the manual calculations: You'll need to calculate federal income tax withholding (based on each employee's W-4), Social Security (6.2%), and Medicare (1.45%) for both employee and employer portions. You're responsible for both parts of FICA since you didn't withhold from their cash payments. You'll also need to calculate federal unemployment tax (FUTA) and any state taxes. Then complete and file all your quarterly 941 forms (you'll need to file late ones) and your annual 940. The penalties for late filing and payment can add up quickly, so I'd recommend working with the IRS through their voluntary disclosure programs to minimize these.

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Freya Thomsen

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Do you think the IRS will come after him for paying under the table? Could there be criminal charges or just financial penalties?

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Ravi Sharma

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The IRS is generally more focused on collecting the proper taxes than pursuing criminal charges, especially for small businesses trying to correct mistakes. Financial penalties and interest are the primary concerns here - these include failure-to-file, failure-to-pay, and failure-to-deposit penalties. Criminal charges typically only come into play when there's clear evidence of willful tax evasion or fraud. Since OP has records of payments and is trying to correct the situation, this demonstrates good faith.

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Omar Zaki

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AstroAce

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Did they help you deal with the penalties too? I've heard the IRS can be brutal with late payroll taxes.

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Chloe Martin

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How does this work exactly? Can they actually help with cash payments where there's no official record in the banking system? Seems fishy that any software could help with that.

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Zara Ahmed

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For manual payroll tax calculations on past cash payments, here's what I'd recommend: 1. Create a spreadsheet with each payment date and amount for each employee 2. Calculate FICA taxes (15.3% total - both employer and employee portions) 3. Estimate income tax withholding based on each person's likely tax bracket 4. Complete Form 941 for each past quarter (you'll file these late) 5. Prepare W-2s for each employee for 2024 6. Complete Form 940 for FUTA tax Remember that all these forms will be late, so you'll face penalties. Filing through the Voluntary Classification Settlement Program might help reduce those penalties though.

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Thanks for breaking it down like this. I'm curious about the income tax withholding part - how do I estimate what their tax bracket would be if I don't have W-4s from them?

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Zara Ahmed

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Without W-4s, you'd typically use the default withholding rate, which is essentially treating them as single with no adjustments. For 2024, you could use the wage bracket method or percentage method tables from IRS Publication 15-T. A simplified approach would be to withhold at a flat rate of about 12-22% depending on their income level, which covers most construction workers' typical tax brackets. Remember to document your calculation method in case of questions later.

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StarStrider

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Don't you all think he should just amend the previous year's return and issue 1099s? Seems way simpler than going through all the payroll tax stuff. I did that with my lawn care business when I had a similar situation and it worked out fine.

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Ravi Sharma

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That approach could create bigger problems. If these were employees (not independent contractors), issuing 1099s instead of W-2s is misclassification, which the IRS takes very seriously. The determination between employee vs contractor isn't about how they were paid, but about the nature of the working relationship (control, independence, etc). Construction workers who work regular hours under the business owner's direction are almost always legally employees, not contractors. Misclassification penalties can be much worse than late payroll tax penalties.

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Luca Esposito

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I'd recommend checking if your state has a Voluntary Disclosure Agreement program for employment taxes. I went through this in Arizona after a similar situation, and while I still had to pay all the taxes, they waived most of the penalties. Saved me thousands. Most important thing is to get ahead of this before you get caught - showing initiative to correct the problem goes a long way.

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Ava Hernandez

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I've been through something very similar with my roofing company last year. The key thing to understand is that paying employees in cash doesn't change your payroll tax obligations - you're still responsible for withholding and remitting all the same taxes as if you'd paid by check. Here's what I learned from my CPA: You absolutely need to treat these as employees (not contractors) and calculate the full payroll taxes. This means Social Security, Medicare, federal income tax withholding, FUTA, and any state taxes. Since you didn't withhold from their cash payments, you're now responsible for both the employee and employer portions. The manual calculation process is tedious but doable if you have good records. You'll need to work backwards through each quarter of 2024 and file amended 941s. The penalties will add up, but there are abatement options available, especially if this is your first time being late with payroll taxes. One thing that really helped me was getting on a payment plan with the IRS early in the process. Don't wait until you have everything perfectly calculated - reach out to them as soon as you can to show good faith. The sooner you start the correction process, the better it looks from their perspective.

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