What taxes does a self employed person pay? FICA & income tax breakdown
Hey all, I'm trying to figure out the tax situation for self-employment. Let me break down this scenario I'm working with. Say someone is self-employed and grossed about $185,000 in 2023, but they had around $125,000 in legitimate business deductions and expenses. That leaves them with $60,000 of actual taxable income. As a single filer, from what I understand, they'd be in the 22% tax bracket. But then there's also this self-employment tax of 15.3% that's mentioned everywhere. I'm confused about how these taxes actually work together. Does this person end up paying a combined 37.3% (22% + 15.3%) on their $60,000 taxable income? Or is it more complicated than that? Would really appreciate if someone could break down what this person would actually end up owing. Thanks!
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Yara Khoury
The self-employment tax and income tax are calculated differently, so they don't simply add up to 37.3%. Here's how it works: The self-employment tax (15.3%) is calculated on your net self-employment income ($60,000 in your example). This tax consists of 12.4% for Social Security (up to a wage base limit - $147,000 for 2023) and 2.9% for Medicare (no wage base limit). For income tax, you first get to deduct half of your self-employment tax from your income. You'd also likely qualify for the Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction of up to 20% of your business income. After these deductions, your taxable income would be lower than $60,000, and then the graduated tax brackets apply. So while both taxes apply, they're calculated on different amounts and the effective rate would be lower than simply adding 22% and 15.3%.
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Keisha Taylor
•Wait, so you're saying they can deduct half of the SE tax from their income before calculating income tax? And what's this 20% QBI thing? Do all self-employed people get that automatically?
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Yara Khoury
•Yes, you can deduct half of your self-employment tax when calculating your adjusted gross income. This reflects the fact that employed people have half of their FICA taxes paid by their employer. Regarding the QBI deduction, most self-employed individuals and small business owners can take a deduction of up to 20% of their qualified business income. It's not automatic - there are income limitations and rules about what qualifies. If you're a service business (like doctor, lawyer, consultant), the deduction starts phasing out at higher income levels. For 2023, the phase-out begins at $170,050 for single filers.
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StardustSeeker
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Emma Davis
There's another important thing nobody mentioned yet - you can absolutely reduce your self-employment tax burden legally through an S-Corp election if your business makes enough money. When you're just a sole proprietor, ALL your profit gets hit with that 15.3% SE tax. But with an S-Corp, you pay yourself a "reasonable salary" that gets hit with FICA taxes (equivalent to SE tax), but the REST of your profit can be taken as distributions which avoid the 15.3% completely! With $60k in profit, it might not be worth the extra accounting costs, but when you get to $100k+ profit, the math starts working strongly in your favor.
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Connor O'Reilly
•That's really interesting about the S-Corp option. How much would you say is the cutoff where it makes sense? And what counts as a "reasonable salary"? Like could I pay myself $20k as salary and take $40k as distributions in the scenario I mentioned?
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Emma Davis
•Most tax pros I've worked with say the S-Corp election starts making financial sense around $80-100k in consistent annual profit, after accounting for the extra costs (separate payroll, more complex tax filing, possibly higher accountant fees). For reasonable salary, the IRS doesn't give an exact formula, but they look at what comparable professionals make in your industry and location. They don't want people taking advantage by setting artificially low salaries. For a $60k profit business, you'd probably need to set salary at $30-40k minimum to be safe. The higher your profit gets, the more you save. For instance, at $150k profit with a $70k reasonable salary, you'd save about $12,000 in SE taxes compared to a sole proprietorship.
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LunarLegend
Just to make it super clear for the OP: 1. Self-employment tax (15.3%) is calculated on your net SE income ($60k) 2. You can deduct HALF of that SE tax from your income before calculating income tax 3. You might qualify for the 20% QBI deduction 4. Then you apply the graduated tax brackets (10%, 12%, 22%, etc.) So let's do rough math: - SE tax: $60,000 × 15.3% = $9,180 - Income tax deduction: $9,180 ÷ 2 = $4,590 - New taxable income: $60,000 - $4,590 = $55,410 - Potential QBI deduction: $55,410 × 20% = $11,082 - Final taxable income: $55,410 - $11,082 = $44,328 Then you'd calculate graduated income tax on $44,328 (which would be partly at 10%, partly at 12%, and partly at 22%). The total effective tax rate would be significantly lower than 37.3%!
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Malik Jackson
•Wait, I think you calculated the QBI wrong. Isn't it 20% of the $60k business income, not 20% of the income after SE tax deduction?
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Isabella Oliveira
Don't forget the standard deduction too! For 2023, a single filer gets $13,850 off their taxable income. So using the numbers above, final taxable income would be even lower: $43,410 - $13,850 = $29,560 So income tax would only apply to that amount, calculated through the progressive brackets. The effective income tax rate would probably be around 11-12% when all is said and done, plus the SE tax. It's waaaaay less than 37.3% when you factor in all the deductions!
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StarStrider
This is exactly the kind of breakdown I needed when I started freelancing! One thing that really helped me understand this was setting up quarterly estimated tax payments from the beginning. Since you're looking at about $60k in net self-employment income, you'll want to pay estimated taxes quarterly to avoid underpayment penalties. The general rule is to pay 25% of your expected annual tax liability each quarter (due dates are typically Jan 15, April 15, June 15, and Sept 15). Based on the calculations others have shared, your total tax burden (SE tax + income tax after all deductions) would probably be around $12,000-15,000 for the year, so you'd want to set aside roughly $3,000-4,000 per quarter. Also, keep meticulous records of ALL business expenses throughout the year - mileage, home office costs, business meals, equipment, software subscriptions, etc. These deductions directly reduce your net SE income, which saves you money on both SE tax AND income tax. Every dollar in legitimate business expenses saves you about 37 cents in total taxes (15.3% SE + ~22% income tax bracket).
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Omar Hassan
•This is super helpful! I'm just starting out as a freelancer and the quarterly payment thing has been stressing me out. Quick question - when you say "meticulous records," what's the best way to track everything? Are you using spreadsheets or is there some app that makes it easier? I've been throwing receipts in a shoebox but I know that's not going to work long-term lol.
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