What taxes do self-employed people actually pay? Complete breakdown
So I'm trying to figure out how much I'll owe in taxes as a self-employed freelancer. Here's my situation - I brought in about $195,000 in 2024, but I had roughly $130,000 in legitimate business expenses (equipment, software, office space, travel, etc). That leaves me with $65,000 in taxable income. I'm filing as single, which I think puts me in the 22% tax bracket? But then there's also this self-employment tax thing at 15.3%? I'm honestly confused about what I'll end up paying. Is it both percentages combined (like 37.3%) applied to my taxable income? Or is it just one of these rates? Or do they apply to different parts somehow? Any help figuring this out would be seriously appreciated.
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Asher Levin
The two taxes are calculated differently, so they're not simply added together. Here's the breakdown: For federal income tax (the 22% bracket you mentioned), that's applied to your taxable income AFTER taking the standard deduction (or itemized if higher). As a single filer in 2024, the standard deduction is $13,850. So your taxable income for federal purposes would be $65,000 - $13,850 = $51,150. The 22% isn't applied to all of that - it's progressive, meaning different portions are taxed at 10%, 12%, and then 22%. The self-employment tax (15.3%) works differently. It's applied to your net business income ($65,000), but you get to deduct half of the SE tax when calculating your income tax. The 15.3% breaks down as 12.4% for Social Security (up to a wage base limit) and 2.9% for Medicare (no limit).
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Serene Snow
•But wait, I'm confused. If I'm in the 22% bracket, doesn't that mean ALL my income gets taxed at 22%? And can you explain more about how the self-employment tax deduction works? Is there a simple formula I can use to estimate what I'll actually owe?
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Asher Levin
•No, being in the 22% bracket doesn't mean all your income is taxed at 22%. Our tax system is progressive. For 2024 as a single filer, roughly the first $11,000 is taxed at 10%, then income from $11,001 to $44,725 is taxed at 12%, and only the amount above $44,725 (up to $95,375) is taxed at 22%. For calculating self-employment tax, multiply your net business income ($65,000) by 92.35% first, then by 15.3%. That's because you get to deduct the employer half of SE tax. Then you can deduct half of your total SE tax amount from your income when calculating income tax. There are worksheets in the 1040 instructions that walk you through this, or tax software will handle these calculations automatically.
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Issac Nightingale
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Romeo Barrett
•Does it actually handle quarterly estimated payments too? I always get confused about how much to pay each quarter and ended up with penalties last year because I underpaid.
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Marina Hendrix
•I've tried so many tax calculators and they always seem to miss something or give different answers. How accurate is this one compared to like TurboTax or something? Does it handle state taxes too or just federal?
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Sara Unger
Just to add some clarity for the OP - here's a simplified calculation example based on your numbers: With $65,000 net business income as a single filer: - Self-Employment Tax: $65,000 × 0.9235 × 0.153 = about $9,183 - Half of SE Tax to deduct: $4,591 - Adjusted Gross Income: $65,000 - $4,591 = $60,409 - Less standard deduction: $60,409 - $13,850 = $46,559 taxable income - Federal income tax on $46,559 (approximate): $5,180 So your total federal tax would be around $14,363 ($9,183 SE tax + $5,180 income tax), which is about 22% of your net business income. This is simplified and doesn't include potential credits, other deductions, or state taxes.
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Butch Sledgehammer
•Thanks for breaking this down! Quick question - does this calculation account for the qualified business income deduction (Section 199A)? I think self-employed people can deduct up to 20% of their business income too, right?
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Sara Unger
•You're absolutely right about the QBI deduction - I left that out for simplicity but it's definitely important! For a sole proprietor with $65,000 in net business income, you could potentially qualify for up to 20% QBI deduction, which would be around $13,000. This would further reduce your taxable income from $46,559 down to about $33,559, lowering your income tax even more. The exact amount depends on your specific business type and other factors, but it's definitely worth looking into. This deduction alone could save you over $1,500 in federal income tax in this scenario.
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Freya Ross
Also don't forget about state taxes! Depending on your state, you could be paying anywhere from 0% (if you're in a no-income-tax state like Florida or Texas) to over 10% (California, Hawaii, etc.) on top of all this federal stuff. I learned this the hard way when I moved from Washington to Oregon mid-year and got absolutely blindsided by Oregon's high state income tax.
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Leslie Parker
•And some cities have their own income taxes too! I live in NYC and pay federal, state, AND city income tax. It's brutal. Self-employment is great until tax time rolls around...
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Freya Ross
•That's such a good point! I didn't even think about city taxes. It really varies so much depending on your location. I think the highest combined state and local income tax is like 14.7% in NYC? That would be a massive additional chunk on top of federal taxes. Self-employment definitely has its perks but the tax complexity is not one of them. I ended up hiring a CPA after trying to handle everything myself for two years. Best money I ever spent honestly - she found so many deductions I would have missed and helped me set up a proper quarterly payment schedule.
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Royal_GM_Mark
Welcome to the self-employment tax maze! As someone who just went through this transition last year, I can totally relate to your confusion. The good news is that once you understand how these taxes work together, it becomes much more manageable. One thing I wish I had known earlier: consider setting up a separate savings account for taxes and automatically transfer 25-30% of each payment you receive. This helped me avoid the panic of scrambling to come up with tax money at the end of the year. Also, if you expect to owe more than $1,000 in taxes, you'll need to make quarterly estimated payments to avoid penalties. The calculations others have shared are spot-on, but don't forget to track EVERYTHING expense-wise throughout the year. Home office expenses, internet bills, phone bills, professional development, even some meals can be deductible. I use a simple spreadsheet to log expenses monthly - it saves so much time during tax prep and ensures I don't miss anything that could lower my tax burden.
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