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PixelWarrior

How much should I actually save for taxes as a freelancer? 30% for income tax + 14.3% for SE tax = 45% total? Is that right?

So I just started freelancing full-time and I'm trying to figure out this whole tax situation. I'm projected to owe around $1,350 in taxes this year (which means I qualify for those quarterly estimated tax payments) and I've already made over $500 in self-employment income. I don't really have any business deductions to speak of yet. I keep hearing people say you should put aside 30% of what you make for income taxes. But then there's also this 14.3-15% self-employment tax on top of that. Does this mean I actually need to save like 45% of everything I earn just for taxes? That seems insanely high! If that's not the case, then how does it actually work? How do you figure out the right amount to save? I'm honestly confused about whether these percentages overlap somehow or if they're completely separate things. Any guidance on how to calculate this correctly would be super helpful because I don't want to get blindsided when tax season comes around.

Amara Adebayo

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The good news is you don't need to save 45% of your income for taxes! Here's why: The 30% rule of thumb actually includes both income tax AND self-employment tax for most freelancers. It's just a simplified way to make sure you're covered. Your actual tax rate depends on your total income, filing status, and what tax bracket you fall into. Self-employment tax (15.3% - slightly higher than the 14.3% you mentioned) is for Social Security and Medicare. But here's the key thing: only 92.35% of your self-employment income is subject to this tax. Plus, you can deduct half of your self-employment tax on your income tax return. For most freelancers starting out, setting aside 25-30% of income is sufficient to cover both types of taxes. If you're in a higher income bracket or have other income sources, you might need to save more. Don't forget to look for legitimate business deductions! Even if you think you don't have any, things like a portion of your internet bill, phone, home office, software subscriptions, and professional development can often be deductible.

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PixelWarrior

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Thanks so much for explaining! So the 30% rule of thumb already factors in both the income tax AND self-employment tax? That's a huge relief. Does that 30% guideline assume a particular income level though? I'm expecting to make around $45,000 this year from freelancing. Would 30% still be appropriate at that level or should I adjust?

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Amara Adebayo

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The 30% guideline is generally appropriate for someone making around $45,000 as a freelancer. At that income level, you'd likely be in the 12% federal income tax bracket (assuming single filing status), plus the 15.3% self-employment tax, and possibly state income tax depending on where you live. If you live in a state with higher income tax rates (like California or New York), you might want to bump your savings to 35%. If you're in a state with no income tax (like Texas or Florida), 25-28% might be sufficient. Just remember that setting aside a little extra is always safer than not saving enough.

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Does it handle multiple income streams? I do freelance graphic design but also have a part-time W-2 job. The tax calculators I've tried get confused with the mixed income sources.

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Dylan Evans

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I'm skeptical about these tax tools. How does it actually know what's deductible for your specific situation? I've heard horror stories about people getting audited after using tax software that was too aggressive with deductions.

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Dmitry Petrov

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Ava Williams

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - your state taxes matter A LOT in this calculation. I freelance in California where state income tax can add another 9.3% for many income levels. My friend in Washington state pays 0% state income tax. So the whole "save 30%" advice really depends on your state situation. I personally save 35% living in CA and that covers everything with a little buffer.

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Miguel Castro

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This is so true! I moved from Oregon (high state tax) to Tennessee (no state income tax) and it was a huge difference in my take-home pay. The 30% rule would have been overkill in TN but actually not enough in OR. Do you know if there's a good resource that breaks down what percentage to save by state?

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Ava Williams

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I don't know of a specific resource that breaks it down by state, but a good rule of thumb is to add about 5-7% to your savings rate if you're in a high-tax state (CA, NY, OR, MN, NJ) and you can subtract about 2-3% if you're in a no-income-tax state (WA, TX, FL, NV, SD, WY, TN, NH). If you want to be more precise, most states publish their tax brackets online. For example, in California, the brackets range from 1% to 12.3% depending on income. You can look up your specific state's tax rates and add that to the federal calculation.

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One approach I've found helpful is to just use the IRS withholding calculator but put in that you're a contractor. It asks for your expected annual income and then tells you what your estimated total tax will be. Then just divide that by your expected income to get your percentage. For me making around $60k in North Carolina, it worked out to about 28% total (federal + state + SE tax).

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PixelWarrior

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Thanks for this suggestion! Is the IRS withholding calculator pretty accurate for self-employment income? And does it include the self-employment tax in its calculation or just income tax?

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Ava Hernandez

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The IRS withholding calculator is actually pretty accurate for self-employment income! It does include self-employment tax in its calculations when you indicate you're a contractor or have self-employment income. When you go through the calculator, make sure to select "yes" when it asks about self-employment income and enter your expected annual earnings. It will factor in both the 15.3% self-employment tax and your regular income tax based on your bracket. Just keep in mind that the calculator assumes you'll have some standard deductions available, so if you have significant business expenses you can deduct, your actual percentage might be a bit lower than what it shows. But it's a great starting point for figuring out a realistic savings rate!

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Just want to echo what others have said about the 30% rule being a good starting point! I've been freelancing for about 3 years now and initially panicked thinking I needed to save 45%+ like you mentioned. What I learned is that the self-employment tax and income tax aren't completely separate buckets. The SE tax deduction actually reduces your adjusted gross income for income tax purposes, so there's some overlap in the calculation. My personal system: I save 32% of everything I earn and put it in a separate high-yield savings account labeled "taxes." At the end of the year, I usually have a small buffer left over that becomes a nice bonus for myself. Better to save a little extra and be pleasantly surprised than to come up short! Also, don't sleep on tracking your business expenses from day one. Even small things add up - software subscriptions, office supplies, part of your phone bill, professional development courses, even some meals if they're business-related. I use a simple spreadsheet and it's saved me thousands over the years. The quarterly payments become routine once you get into the rhythm. Just remember the due dates: January 15, April 15, June 15, and September 15. Set calendar reminders now!

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Gemma Andrews

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This is such helpful advice! I love the idea of putting the tax savings in a separate high-yield account - that way it's earning something while I wait for quarterly payments. Quick question about the quarterly payment dates - I thought the September one was September 15th, but isn't the January payment actually due January 15th of the following year? So if I started freelancing this year, my first payment wouldn't be due until January 15th next year? I want to make sure I have the timing right so I don't accidentally miss a deadline. Also, do you have any specific recommendations for tracking business expenses? A spreadsheet sounds manageable, but I'm wondering if there are any apps or tools that make it even easier to stay on top of throughout the year.

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