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Self-employment taxes when I also have a W2 job - how do I handle both income sources?

Hey everyone! I just started doing some freelance work on the side while keeping my regular job, and I'm super confused about taxes. I've always had taxes taken out of my paycheck at my W2 job, but now I need to figure out quarterly payments for this freelance stuff. I'm trying to calculate how much I should set aside for quarterly payments on just the freelance income. Am I supposed to calculate my self-employment tax based on what tax bracket my combined income puts me in (W2 salary + freelance)? Or do I calculate the self-employment taxes as if the freelance money is my only income? And what about that 15.3% self-employment tax I keep hearing about? Since my W2 job already takes out Social Security and Medicare, would I be paying those taxes twice on my freelance income? That doesn't sound right. I know some might say "just hire a CPA" but I really want to understand this myself first. I'd appreciate any explanations in plain English if possible! Thanks for any help!

You're asking good questions! I can help break this down. For your income tax on self-employment earnings, you'll calculate it based on your total combined income from both your W2 job and freelance work. All your income gets stacked together to determine your tax bracket. For the 15.3% self-employment tax question - no, you're not paying twice. The 15.3% is for Social Security (12.4%) and Medicare (2.9%). At your W2 job, you pay half of these percentages and your employer pays the other half. But when you're self-employed, you're both the employer and employee, so you pay both halves - that's why it's 15.3%. There's a cap on Social Security tax though. For 2025, once your combined earnings (W2 + freelance) exceed $172,800, you won't owe additional Social Security tax on amounts above that. Medicare tax applies to all earnings with no cap.

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Thanks for your explanation! I'm in a similar situation and wondering - if I want to calculate quarterly estimated payments, do I just take my expected freelance income, multiply by the SE tax rate plus my income tax bracket? And can I adjust this amount down since my W2 job already withholds some taxes?

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For quarterly estimated payments, you'll want to account for both income tax and self-employment tax on your freelance earnings. Take your expected freelance profit (income minus business expenses), multiply by 15.3% for self-employment tax, then add your income tax based on your tax bracket. Yes, you can adjust your estimates to account for withholding from your W2 job. The IRS has a "safe harbor" rule - if your withholding plus estimated payments equal at least 90% of your current year tax or 100% of last year's tax (110% if your income is over $150,000), you won't face penalties for underpayment.

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - you should look into setting up a separate business checking account for your freelance work! Makes tracking income and expenses WAY easier come tax time. Also get a good system for saving receipts - I use an app that lets me snap pics of them. For quarterly payments, I just take 30% of whatever I make freelancing each month and transfer it to a savings account. Then I make my quarterly payment from there. Simple system but it works for me!

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Is 30% enough though? I've heard some people say to set aside 40% to be safe. Does it depend on what tax bracket your W2 already puts you in?

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The percentage really depends on your total income and tax bracket. For me, 30% covers self-employment tax (15.3%) plus my federal income tax, with a little buffer. If your W2 job already puts you in a higher tax bracket, you might want to save more like 35-40%. It also depends on your state - if you're in a state with high income tax, definitely bump it up. The key is to start somewhere and adjust as you learn more about your specific situation. Better to slightly oversave than come up short!

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I think everyone is missing something important - you need to fill out a Schedule C for your self-employment income, and you get to deduct your business expenses before calculating the self-employment tax! This can make a huge difference. Things like home office, internet, cell phone (if used for business), software subscriptions, professional development, even mileage if you drive for work - all can be legitimate business expenses that reduce your taxable self-employment income.

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Do you just list those on Schedule C? I've never done this before and tax forms intimidate me. Is there a good resource to understand what qualifies as a business expense?

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Yes, Schedule C is where you list your business income and expenses! The IRS has Publication 535 (Business Expenses) that breaks down what qualifies, but basically if it's "ordinary and necessary" for your business, it's usually deductible. For home office, you can either use the simplified method ($5 per square foot up to 300 sq ft) or calculate actual expenses. Keep good records - photos of your workspace, receipts for equipment, logs of business use for mixed-use items like your phone. Pro tip: if you're just starting out, err on the side of caution and only deduct things you're confident about. You can always be more aggressive as you learn the rules better!

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Great question! I went through this exact same situation last year. Here's what I learned: You're right to be confused - it's not intuitive at first. For income tax purposes, yes, you calculate based on your TOTAL income (W2 + freelance) to determine your tax bracket. But here's the key part everyone gets mixed up on: The 15.3% self-employment tax is ONLY applied to your freelance income, not your total income. And you're not double-paying Social Security/Medicare - at your W2 job, you and your employer each pay 7.65%, which adds up to the same 15.3%. When freelancing, you're essentially both employer and employee. One important detail: there's a Social Security wage cap ($160,200 for 2023). Once your combined W2 + freelance income hits that cap, you stop owing the Social Security portion (12.4%) but still owe Medicare (2.9%) on all earnings. For quarterly payments, I calculate: (Expected freelance profit × 15.3%) + (freelance profit × my marginal tax rate). Then I subtract what my W2 job already withholds to avoid overpaying. Start simple with tracking everything and setting aside about 25-30% of freelance income. You can always adjust once you see how your first year plays out!

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This is really helpful! I'm just getting started with freelancing and have been stressing about this exact situation. Quick question - when you say "freelance profit," do you mean gross income from clients minus business expenses? And for the marginal tax rate calculation, should I be looking at what bracket my combined income puts me in, or just where my W2 income alone sits? I want to make sure I'm not underpaying and getting hit with penalties!

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@Miguel Ortiz Yes, exactly! Freelance "profit means" your gross income from clients minus legitimate business expenses equipment, (software, home office, etc. .)This is what goes on Schedule C and what the 15.3% SE tax gets calculated on. For the marginal tax rate, you definitely want to look at where your COMBINED income W2 (+ freelance profit puts) you. So if your W2 salary is $60k and you expect $20k in freelance profit, you d'use the tax bracket for $80k total income. This is super important because it could bump you into a higher bracket! The penalty avoidance rule is your friend here - as long as your total withholding plus estimated payments equal at least 90% of this year s'tax OR 100% of last year s'tax 110% (if your AGI was over $150k ,)you re'safe from penalties. Since you re'just starting, I d'aim for that 100% of last year rule - much easier to calculate!

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One thing that really helped me when I was figuring this out was understanding that you can actually adjust your W2 withholding to cover some of your self-employment taxes! If you don't want to deal with quarterly payments, you can fill out a new W-4 at your day job and have them withhold extra federal tax from each paycheck. Just calculate your expected self-employment tax liability for the year, divide by the number of pay periods remaining, and add that amount to your withholding. This approach is especially nice because W2 withholding is treated as if it was paid evenly throughout the year, even if you increase it later in the year. Quarterly payments have to be made on time or you could face penalties. Just make sure you're still tracking your business expenses properly since those reduce your self-employment tax base. And remember you can deduct half of your self-employment tax as an "above the line" deduction on your 1040 - it's like getting back some of the "employer" portion you paid!

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