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Molly Hansen

Self-employment tax when salary income over threshold for 2025 filing?

Hey all, I'm in a bit of a situation with my taxes this year. I've been working a full-time job at a tech company making about $127,000 annually, but I also started a side business last summer doing web design that's brought in around $21,500 so far. I've never had self-employment income before and I'm confused about how the self-employment tax works when I'm already paying Social Security tax through my regular job. From what I understand, there's some kind of threshold for Social Security taxes (around $160k?), and I think my W-2 income might already be close to that. Do I still have to pay the full 15.3% self-employment tax on my side income? Or is it just the Medicare portion since I'm already maxing out Social Security at my day job? The IRS website has me completely confused and TurboTax is giving me numbers that seem really high. Any help would be super appreciated! I'm trying to figure out if I need to set aside more for taxes before April.

You're asking a great question! When you have both W-2 employment and self-employment income, the Social Security tax portion does indeed have a maximum threshold ($168,600 for 2025), but the Medicare portion has no limit. Here's how it works: If your W-2 job already withholds Social Security tax on $127,000, then only about $41,600 of your self-employment income would be subject to the Social Security portion (6.2%) of the self-employment tax. However, your entire self-employment income will still be subject to the Medicare portion (2.9%) of the self-employment tax. The good news is that when you file your taxes, you'll get credit for any excess Social Security tax that was withheld between both income sources if they exceed the maximum. Also remember that you can deduct half of your self-employment tax on your income tax return, which helps offset some of the cost.

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Wait, I'm a bit confused. Does this mean if someone makes $170k at their day job (which is over the SS threshold already), they would only pay the Medicare portion on their side business? Also, do you still get to deduct business expenses before calculating the SE tax?

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Yes, if someone already earns over the Social Security threshold ($168,600 for 2025) from their W-2 job, then they would only pay the Medicare portion (2.9%) of self-employment tax on their side business income, not the Social Security portion. And absolutely, you can and should deduct all legitimate business expenses before calculating self-employment tax. The tax is only paid on your net profit (income minus expenses), not on your gross revenue. This makes tracking your business expenses extremely important for reducing your overall tax burden.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're making quarterly estimated tax payments on that self-employment income if you expect to owe more than $1000 at tax time! I learned this the hard way and got hit with an underpayment penalty my first year doing freelance work alongside my regular job.

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Do I calculate the quarterly payments based on the full 15.3% self-employment tax or just on the portion I actually owe after considering my W-2 income? And is there a specific form I need to use for this?

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You should calculate your quarterly payments based on what you actually expect to owe, so in your case, you'd factor in that you're close to the Social Security threshold. Form 1040-ES is what you'll use for estimated payments. A simple approach is to set aside about 30-35% of your net self-employment income if you're already in a higher tax bracket from your W-2 job. This should cover your additional income tax plus the self-employment tax portion you still owe. Better to slightly overpay and get a refund than underpay and face penalties.

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This is exactly the kind of situation I went through last year! The key thing to remember is that self-employment tax is calculated on your net earnings from self-employment (after business expenses), and the Social Security portion does have that annual wage cap. For 2025, the Social Security wage base is $168,600. Since you're making $127,000 from your W-2 job, you have about $41,600 of "room" left before hitting the cap. This means only the first $41,600 of your self-employment earnings would be subject to the 12.4% Social Security portion of SE tax. However, ALL of your self-employment income will be subject to the 2.9% Medicare portion since there's no cap on Medicare taxes. Don't forget that you can deduct legitimate business expenses (computer equipment, software subscriptions, portion of home office, etc.) before calculating your SE tax. Also, you'll be able to deduct half of your self-employment tax as an adjustment to income, which helps reduce your overall tax burden. I'd definitely recommend making quarterly estimated payments if you haven't already - the underpayment penalties can be painful!

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This is really helpful! I'm just getting started with understanding all this tax stuff as someone new to self-employment. When you mention deducting business expenses before calculating SE tax - does that mean I should track every single business-related purchase? Like if I buy a $15 USB cable for my freelance work, is that worth tracking, or should I focus on bigger expenses? Also, you mentioned quarterly payments - is there a minimum amount where this becomes necessary, or should everyone with self-employment income be doing this regardless of how much they make from it?

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