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Isabella Ferreira

What happens to my basic capital loss carryover when I have future gains?

So I'm trying to figure out how capital loss carryovers work across multiple years. Here's my situation: Let's say I had a really bad year in the stock market and lost $10,000 in 2023. I know I can only deduct $3,000 of that against my regular income. But then in 2024, I actually do well and have capital gains of $20,000. And in 2025, I have more gains of about $25,000. My question is: can the remaining $7,000 loss from 2023 ($10,000 minus the $3,000 deduction) be carried forward all the way to 2025 if it doesn't get used up in 2024? Or does having gains in 2024 mean I have to use up all my carryover losses from 2023 in that tax year, leaving nothing to carry to 2025? I'm confused about whether the carryover is automatic to the next year only or if it can keep going until it's fully used up. Thanks for any help!

Ravi Sharma

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Capital losses don't just disappear if you have gains in the following year - they get applied to those gains. Here's how your scenario would work: 2023: You have a $10,000 capital loss. You can deduct $3,000 against ordinary income, leaving $7,000 to carry forward. 2024: You have $20,000 in capital gains. The $7,000 loss carryover from 2023 gets applied against these gains, reducing your net capital gain to $13,000 ($20,000 - $7,000). This is what you'll pay taxes on for 2024. Since your entire loss carryover was used up in 2024, there's nothing left to carry forward to 2025. The $7,000 didn't make it to 2025 because it offset part of your 2024 gains.

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NebulaNomad

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Wait I'm confused. So if I have losses in one year, they automatically get applied to gains in future years? Can I choose to save some of those losses for later years when I might be in a higher tax bracket?

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Ravi Sharma

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No, you don't get to choose when to apply the losses - the tax code is pretty strict about this. Capital loss carryovers must be applied to the very next year's capital gains before you can take the $3,000 deduction against ordinary income. You can't save them for a future year when you might be in a higher bracket. When you file your taxes each year, you'll complete Form 8949 and Schedule D to track these losses and carryovers. The IRS essentially forces you to use up your capital losses as soon as possible. Think of it as a use-it-or-lose-it situation, except you don't lose it - you just have to use it at the earliest opportunity against any capital gains.

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StarSeeker

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Something important nobody mentioned yet: make sure you're tracking the difference between short-term and long-term capital losses/gains. They get treated differently! Short-term losses first offset short-term gains, then long-term losses offset long-term gains. If you have excess in one category, it can offset the other category. This ordering can make a big difference in your tax bill since short-term gains are taxed at your ordinary income rate while long-term gains get the preferential capital gains rate. In your example, if your $10,000 loss in 2023 was short-term, it would first offset any short-term gains in 2024 before offsetting long-term gains.

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Thanks, that's super helpful! In my case, most of my losses were from some dumb day-trading I did (so short-term), while most of my gains in the following years would be from investments I held over a year. Does that change how the carryover works?

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StarSeeker

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Yes, that changes things significantly! Short-term losses first offset short-term gains. Any remaining short-term losses then offset long-term gains. Since your losses were from day-trading (short-term) and your future gains are mostly long-term, your carryover losses will first offset any short-term gains you have in 2024. If you don't have many short-term gains, then the remaining losses will offset your long-term gains. This is actually advantageous from a tax perspective, as you'd rather use your losses to offset short-term gains (which are taxed at higher rates) rather than long-term gains (which are taxed at lower preferential rates).

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Has anyone used the IRS's own free tax portal to help with capital gains reporting? I'm wondering if it handles carryovers well or if it's better to use a paid service.

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Zara Ahmed

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The free IRS tool is very basic. It'll let you input capital gains/losses but it doesn't provide any guidance on carryovers or optimization strategies. For anything remotely complex (like your multi-year scenario), you're better off with TurboTax, H&R Block, or one of the specialized investment tax tools people mentioned above.

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Zara Rashid

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One thing that might help clarify the carryover process is understanding that it's actually quite systematic. The IRS requires you to use Form 8949 and Schedule D each year to track your capital gains and losses, and these forms automatically calculate how much of your prior year losses get applied to current year gains. The key point everyone's making is correct - you can't strategically save losses for future years. The tax code forces you to apply them in order: first against the same type of gains (short-term losses against short-term gains, long-term against long-term), then cross-category if needed, and finally up to $3,000 against ordinary income. What's really helpful is keeping good records year over year. I maintain a simple spreadsheet tracking my total loss carryovers from each year so I can verify the tax software is calculating everything correctly. This has caught a few errors where the software didn't properly import my prior year carryover amounts. For your specific situation with the $7,000 carryover, yes it would be completely used up in 2024 against your $20,000 gains, leaving nothing for 2025. The math is straightforward once you understand the rules!

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This is really helpful! I'm new to dealing with capital gains/losses and this whole thread has been eye-opening. The spreadsheet idea for tracking carryovers sounds smart - do you have any specific columns you recommend including? I want to make sure I'm tracking everything correctly from the start rather than trying to piece it together later when tax time comes around.

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Lindsey Fry

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@ed15ee67065b Great question! For my carryover tracking spreadsheet, I include these key columns: - Tax Year - Transaction Type (Short-term loss, Long-term loss, etc.) - Original Loss Amount - Amount Used Against Gains (by year) - Amount Used Against Ordinary Income ($3K max per year) - Remaining Carryover Balance - Notes (what investments caused the loss, etc.) I also keep a separate section that shows the "flow" of how losses get applied each year - it's like a visual timeline that helps me double-check the tax software calculations. One tip: always save your Schedule D from each year's tax return, as it shows the official carryover amounts that should match your spreadsheet. This has saved me multiple times when switching tax software or preparing amended returns!

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Cynthia Love

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Just want to add one more important point that might not be obvious to newer investors: the order of loss application can sometimes work in your favor tax-wise, even though you can't control the timing. Since capital losses must be applied against gains before you can take the $3,000 ordinary income deduction, having gains in subsequent years actually maximizes the tax benefit of your losses. This is because capital gains are often taxed at preferential rates (0%, 15%, or 20% for long-term gains depending on your income), while the $3,000 deduction against ordinary income saves you money at your marginal tax rate (which could be 22%, 24%, 32%, etc.). So in your scenario, Isabella, using that $7,000 loss against your $20,000 in gains in 2024 likely saves you more in taxes than if you could somehow spread it out as $3,000 deductions against ordinary income over multiple years. The system is actually designed to be more beneficial this way, even though it might not feel like you have control over the timing. This is why some tax professionals actually recommend "tax loss harvesting" strategies where you intentionally realize losses in down years to offset future gains - the losses are often more valuable when applied against gains rather than ordinary income.

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Zainab Ismail

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This is such a great point about tax loss harvesting! I never really thought about how the forced application of losses against gains could actually be more beneficial than spreading them out as ordinary income deductions. For someone like me who's just getting started with investing, this makes me think I should be more strategic about when I realize losses, especially toward the end of the tax year. If I know I'm going to have significant gains, it might make sense to harvest some losses to offset them rather than just letting losses sit there. Do you have any rules of thumb for how much in losses someone should try to harvest? Like, is it worth taking losses just to get that carryover, or should you only do it when you actually want to sell the investment anyway?

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