WSJ Exposes the Rise and Fall of Innovation Refunds ERC Tax Credits
Just read a crazy report in the Wall Street Journal about this company Innovation Refunds and their partner Carrier-Robins that was basically created just to cash in on the Employee Retention Credit (ERC). Apparently, David Carrier (some estate-tax lawyer and radio host) joined forces with RJon Robins (who coaches small law firms) to get in on the ERC action. The wild part is they recruited a bunch of attorneys from Robins's coaching program to help them process these tax credits, but the WSJ article says most of these lawyers had ZERO experience with tax law! They just jumped on the ERC bandwagon when it was hot. Has anyone else been following this story? Did any small business owners here use Innovation Refunds or similar companies for ERC claims? I'm wondering how many businesses might be in trouble if they used these kinds of services with inexperienced people handling their tax credits...
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Sayid Hassan
This WSJ article is definitely concerning. The ERC (Employee Retention Credit) was a legitimate COVID relief program worth up to $26,000 per employee for eligible businesses, but it attracted a lot of companies making aggressive promises about "free money." The problem with firms like the one mentioned is they often took a cookie-cutter approach, treating every business as eligible without proper analysis of qualification criteria. The IRS has been cracking down hard on improper ERC claims lately, putting a moratorium on processing new claims and auditing businesses who received them. If you used Innovation Refunds or similar ERC companies, I'd recommend several steps: 1) Gather all documentation related to your claim, 2) Review the actual qualification criteria for each quarter you claimed (maintaining operations during shutdowns or having significant revenue decline), and 3) Consider consulting with an experienced tax professional (CPA or tax attorney) who wasn't involved in your original claim.
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Rachel Tao
•Thanks for the explanation. I used a different company for my ERC claim last year but now I'm worried. They claimed my business qualified in Q3 and Q4 of 2021 but I'm not sure if we really had the revenue drop they said we did. What happens if the IRS determines I shouldn't have received the credit? Will I just have to pay it back or are there penalties too?
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Sayid Hassan
•You'll likely need to repay the credit amount if your business didn't qualify, plus interest from the date you received the refund. The IRS can also impose accuracy-related penalties of 20% if they determine the claim was substantially incorrect. In more serious cases where they find willful disregard of rules or fraudulent claims, penalties can reach 75% plus potential criminal prosecution. However, many business owners who relied on these firms in good faith may be eligible for penalty relief, especially if you can show you reasonably relied on their expertise.
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Derek Olson
After reading about the Innovation Refunds situation, I wanted to share something that helped me navigate my own ERC mess. I used a service called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) when I started getting concerned about my claim. They analyzed all my documentation and the original submission from the ERC company I used. Their system flagged several issues with how my claim was handled - turns out the company had calculated my revenue decline incorrectly and claimed quarters where I didn't actually qualify. The taxr.ai report gave me exact details about what was wrong and which quarters might actually qualify versus those that definitely wouldn't stand up to IRS scrutiny.
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Danielle Mays
•How exactly does taxr.ai work? I'm in a similar situation with an ERC claim that I'm now worried about. Do they do an actual review of your specific situation or is it just general advice?
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Roger Romero
•I'm skeptical about using another service to fix problems created by the first service. What makes taxr.ai any different from all these ERC mills that got people into trouble in the first place?
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Derek Olson
•They conduct a detailed analysis of your specific claim documents, payroll records, and qualification basis. The system examines your actual revenue numbers quarter by quarter and evaluates them against the complex ERC eligibility rules. It's not generic advice - it's specific to your situation and documents. They're completely different from ERC mills because they don't process claims or take a percentage of your refund. They're an analysis tool that helps you understand if your claim was legitimate or problematic, with detailed documentation you can use with your accountant or the IRS.
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Roger Romero
I have to follow up about taxr.ai since I was skeptical in my earlier comment. After more research about my sketchy ERC claim, I decided to try the service. Wow - completely different from what I expected. The system flagged exactly which quarters of my claim were legitimate and which were likely to be rejected. They found that my "ERC specialist" had incorrectly applied the partial suspension rules and claimed I qualified for quarters where I clearly didn't meet the revenue reduction test. Having this detailed breakdown helped me talk to my CPA about next steps. We're now preparing to amend the incorrect quarters before the IRS catches it. Honestly relieved to have clear direction instead of just worrying about it.
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Anna Kerber
For anyone dealing with IRS issues from these questionable ERC claims, my experience trying to get clarification directly from the IRS was a complete nightmare. Called for WEEKS and couldn't reach anyone knowledgeable about my situation. Finally found Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) which got me through to an actual IRS agent in about 20 minutes. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - but basically they navigate the phone system and wait on hold so you don't have to. The IRS agent I spoke with gave me specific guidance on how to handle my situation with the questionable ERC claim, including documentation I should prepare if I get audited. Huge relief to finally talk to someone official instead of guessing what to do.
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Niko Ramsey
•Wait, so you pay a service to call the IRS for you? I don't understand how that works. Do they just get you to the front of the line somehow? Seems too good to be true.
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Seraphina Delan
•This sounds like complete BS. I've tried everything to get through to the IRS and nothing works. These companies promising special access are scams - they can't possibly do anything you can't do yourself.
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Anna Kerber
•They don't get you to the front of the line - they use technology to navigate through the IRS phone tree and hold system for you. Instead of you personally waiting on hold for hours, their system does it, then calls you when an IRS agent is actually on the line ready to talk. There's no special access or cutting in line - it's just automating the painful waiting process. I was skeptical too but decided $15-20 was worth it if it saved me hours of hold music. And it worked - I got connected to an actual IRS agent who could see my file and address my specific situation.
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Seraphina Delan
I need to eat crow about my comment on Claimyr. After spending 3 more days failing to reach the IRS about my Innovation Refunds ERC claim, I tried the service. Not gonna lie, I was 100% convinced it wouldn't work and was ready to dispute the charge. But damn, it actually worked exactly as advertised. Got a call back in about 45 minutes saying they had an IRS agent on the line. The agent reviewed my situation and confirmed what I feared - my ERC claim through Innovation Refunds had serious issues. BUT, she gave me specific steps to voluntarily correct it before it turned into an audit situation. Even told me which form to use and how to explain the situation to minimize penalties. Worth every penny just for the peace of mind of having an actual plan instead of panicking.
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Jabari-Jo
I'm an accountant (not tax advice) and we've been cleaning up ERC messes for clients who used these mass filing services. A few things everyone should know: 1) The IRS announced they're examining ALL ERC claims over a certain size 2) If you received an ERC refund but haven't spent it, consider putting it in a separate account until you confirm eligibility 3) The "nominal business impact" many of these companies claimed was enough to qualify businesses DOES NOT meet the actual requirement of partial suspension 4) Revenue decline must be calculated by comparing identical calendar quarters, not just any quarter to any other quarter The most frustrating part is these companies took 15-20% of refunds while leaving all risk with the business owners.
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Kristin Frank
•What happens if I already spent the ERC money my business received? Should I just wait to see if the IRS contacts me or should I be proactive? I'm really worried now.
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Jabari-Jo
•If you've already spent the money but are concerned about eligibility, being proactive is usually better than waiting for an IRS notice. First, determine if your claim was legitimate based on the actual rules (not what a sales rep told you). If you find problems with your claim, consider filing an amended return voluntarily to correct the issue. This often results in better treatment than waiting for the IRS to find the problem. Yes, you'll need to repay funds plus interest, but voluntary correction can help avoid or reduce penalties. Many businesses are in this situation - you're not alone.
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Micah Trail
The Innovation Refunds / WSJ story isn't surprising. My friend who runs a small retail shop got cold-called by FIVE different ERC companies last year all promising "free government money" with "no risk" 🙄 One even said "even if your business grew during the pandemic you can still qualify!" which is completely false.
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Nia Watson
•Same here! I got endless emails and calls saying my business "pre-qualified" for up to $175,000 in tax credits even though they knew nothing about my operation. I almost fell for it because they made it sound like I was leaving money on the table, and who doesn't want to recoup some of the COVID losses? Thankfully my CPA warned me off.
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Alberto Souchard
The WSJ article mentioned attorneys with no tax experience handling ERC claims, which is terrifying. I'm curious if anyone knows how long the IRS typically takes to audit these claims? I received an ERC refund in early 2023 through a company with similar tactics, and I'm wondering if I'm in the clear or if the IRS can come back years later.
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Sayid Hassan
•The IRS generally has 3 years from the date you filed the return to audit and assess additional tax. However, this extends to 6 years if they determine there was a substantial understatement of income (which can apply to incorrectly claimed credits). For fraudulent returns or willful tax evasion, there's no statute of limitations. Given the IRS's public statements about prioritizing ERC enforcement, I wouldn't consider yourself "in the clear" anytime soon. Many of these audits are just beginning, especially with the moratorium on processing new claims that was instituted to redirect resources to compliance efforts.
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Luca Esposito
This whole Innovation Refunds situation is a perfect example of why I've been so frustrated with the ERC industry. As someone who works in small business consulting, I watched countless legitimate businesses get swept up by these aggressive marketing tactics promising "guaranteed" refunds. The scary part is that many business owners I know received these refunds and assumed everything was fine because the IRS processed their claims. What they didn't realize is that the IRS was essentially rubber-stamping ERC applications during the height of the program due to volume, with the real scrutiny coming later during audits. I've been telling clients to treat any ERC refund as "borrowed money" until they're absolutely certain they qualified under the strict technical requirements. The revenue decline test alone is incredibly complex - it's not just about having lower revenue, but about meeting specific percentage thresholds in the right quarters compared to the right baseline periods. If you used Innovation Refunds or similar companies, don't panic, but definitely don't ignore the situation. Get a second opinion from a qualified tax professional who can review your actual eligibility based on your specific circumstances, not generic marketing promises.
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Anastasia Fedorov
•This is exactly the kind of perspective we need more of. I'm a small business owner who thankfully avoided these ERC companies, but I've been watching this unfold with horror for other entrepreneurs in my network. The "borrowed money" approach you mentioned is brilliant advice. I think too many business owners assumed that if the IRS sent them a check, it meant they were definitely eligible. But from what I'm reading, it sounds like the IRS was essentially processing claims first and asking questions later due to the volume and urgency of pandemic relief. What's really concerning me is how many small businesses might be facing financial hardship again if they have to pay back these credits plus penalties and interest. Some of these businesses probably used the money for legitimate expenses thinking it was rightfully theirs. Now they could be in worse shape than before they received the "help." Do you have recommendations for how business owners can find qualified tax professionals who weren't part of this ERC mill problem? It seems like the industry got flooded with people claiming expertise they didn't actually have.
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Cynthia Love
As a tax professional who's been dealing with the aftermath of these ERC mills, I want to emphasize something that hasn't been mentioned enough: the emotional toll this is taking on small business owners. I've had clients break down in tears when they realize they might have to repay tens of thousands of dollars they thought was legitimate relief. The worst part is that many of these businesses were genuinely struggling during COVID and thought they were finally getting help they deserved. Companies like Innovation Refunds preyed on that desperation with slick marketing and false promises of "free money" with "zero risk." What business owners need to understand is that the ERC was designed for businesses that either had government-ordered shutdowns OR significant revenue declines in specific quarters. It wasn't meant for every business that had any COVID impact. The qualification rules are incredibly technical - things like how you calculate revenue decline, what constitutes a "partial suspension," and which quarters can be compared to which baseline periods. My advice: if you used ANY ERC company that cold-called you, promised guaranteed refunds, or told you that "almost every business qualifies," get your claim reviewed immediately by an independent CPA or tax attorney who wasn't involved in the original filing. Don't wait for the IRS to come knocking.
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AstroExplorer
•Thank you for highlighting the emotional impact - this is so important and often overlooked. I'm a small business owner who fortunately didn't use these services, but I have friends who are now terrified about what might happen to their businesses if they have to repay large amounts. One thing I'm curious about: when you say get the claim reviewed by an "independent" CPA or tax attorney, how can business owners verify that the professional they're consulting with is truly independent and qualified? After this whole mess, I imagine there's a lot of mistrust about who to believe when it comes to tax advice. Also, is there any kind of timeline business owners should be working with for getting these reviews done? I assume it's better to be proactive rather than reactive, but are there any deadlines or windows where voluntary correction becomes more difficult or expensive? The "preyed on desperation" point really hits home. COVID was such a scary time for small businesses, and the idea that some companies took advantage of that fear and uncertainty to make quick profits is just disgusting.
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SofÃa RodrÃguez
The Innovation Refunds story really highlights a broader problem with how COVID relief programs were exploited. What's particularly frustrating is that the ERC was actually a well-intentioned program that could have genuinely helped qualifying businesses, but these aggressive marketing companies turned it into a get-rich-quick scheme. I've been researching this topic extensively since the WSJ article came out, and what's shocking is the sheer scale of potentially fraudulent claims. The IRS estimates that 10-20% of the $230+ billion in ERC claims may be improper. That's not just a few bad actors - that's a systemic problem. For anyone still dealing with uncertainty about their ERC claims, I'd recommend documenting everything: your original business impact during COVID, the exact promises made by whatever company you used, and any communications about qualification criteria. If the IRS does come calling, having a clear paper trail of what you were told versus what the actual rules were could be crucial for penalty relief. The saddest part is that legitimate small businesses that truly qualified for ERC benefits now have to worry about increased scrutiny because of these mills that flooded the system with questionable claims. It's yet another way that small businesses got hurt during an already difficult time.
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Nathaniel Stewart
•This is such an important perspective, and you're absolutely right about the systemic nature of the problem. What really bothers me is how these ERC mills essentially weaponized legitimate small business struggles for profit. I'm new to this community but have been following the Innovation Refunds situation closely because it affects so many businesses in my area. The 10-20% improper claim estimate you mentioned is staggering - that's potentially $23-46 billion in questionable refunds that taxpayers ultimately have to cover. Your point about documentation is crucial. I've been telling other small business owners to treat this like they're building a legal defense case, because in many ways, they are. Keep records of every marketing email, sales call transcript, and promise made by these companies. The difference between what businesses were told and what the actual ERC rules required could be the key to avoiding penalties for those who acted in good faith. It's frustrating that legitimate businesses now face this cloud of suspicion, but I guess that's the inevitable result when bad actors flood a system designed to help during a crisis.
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Amina Sy
As someone new to this community but unfortunately not new to ERC headaches, I wanted to share my experience and ask for advice. I used a company similar to Innovation Refunds last year after getting multiple cold calls promising my restaurant qualified for "up to $26,000 per employee" in COVID relief. The red flags were there in hindsight - they guaranteed qualification before even looking at my books, charged a 20% fee upfront, and kept pushing me to file quickly before some imaginary deadline. But as a small restaurant owner who barely survived 2020-2021, the promise of legitimate government relief was too tempting to ignore. Now I'm sitting here with a $180,000 ERC refund that I'm terrified might not be legitimate. The company calculated my revenue decline using methods that don't seem to match what people are describing as the actual IRS requirements. They compared my worst month in 2020 to my best month in 2019, which even I know doesn't sound right. Has anyone successfully navigated the process of voluntarily correcting a questionable ERC claim before the IRS catches it? I'd rather deal with this proactively than wait for an audit notice. The stress is killing me, and I can't be the only business owner in this situation.
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Luca Romano
•I'm so sorry you're dealing with this stress - you're definitely not alone in this situation. The fact that they compared your worst month in 2020 to your best month in 2019 is a huge red flag, as the ERC requires quarter-to-quarter comparisons using specific calculation methods. From what I've been reading in this thread and other sources, voluntary correction through amended returns is generally viewed more favorably by the IRS than waiting for them to discover issues during an audit. The key is acting in good faith and being transparent about the problems with your original claim. I'd strongly recommend getting that claim analyzed by an independent tax professional immediately - several people here have mentioned services that can help identify specific issues with ERC claims. Having a detailed breakdown of what's wrong (and what might actually be legitimate) will help you and your CPA determine the best path forward. The $180,000 is substantial, so you'll want to understand exactly which quarters were incorrectly claimed versus any that might actually qualify under the real rules. Don't let the stress paralyze you into inaction - being proactive now is your best protection against worse consequences later.
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