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Eli Butler

Using both Schedule C and Schedule E as a realtor with rental properties and a W2 job

My spouse and I are in a tricky tax situation and need some advice. We're both working full-time jobs with good W2 income, but I'm also a licensed realtor with an LLC, plus we have several rental properties generating income. On top of that, I do some side gigs like wedding photography and have gotten into crypto mining and staking this past year. Last year we filed using Schedule C for my real estate and side businesses, which let us claim paper losses through depreciation on the rental properties and some business expenses. The problem is we're trying to purchase another investment property, and the lenders keep denying us because our debt-to-income ratio looks terrible on paper due to these Schedule C losses - even though our actual cash flow is really healthy. I'm wondering if there's a way to use both Schedule C (for my realtor business/side hustles) AND Schedule E (for the rental properties) to better represent our financial situation to lenders while still getting the tax benefits of depreciation? I know realtors have some special tax treatment, but I'm confused about how to structure everything for optimal lending + tax outcomes. Any advice would be super appreciated!

Yes, you absolutely can (and probably should) use both Schedule C and Schedule E in your situation. It seems like you might be mixing things up a bit with how your activities should be reported. Schedule C is for reporting income and expenses from your self-employment activities - so that would include your realtor business, photography side gig, and potentially the crypto mining if you're treating that as a business. Each separate business activity should technically have its own Schedule C. Schedule E is specifically for rental property income and expenses, including depreciation. The rental activities should be reported here, not on Schedule C, unless you're providing substantial services to tenants beyond normal maintenance. The good news is that moving your rental property reporting to Schedule E where it belongs might help with your lending situation. Lenders often view Schedule E losses differently than Schedule C losses, as they understand rental property depreciation is a paper loss, not a cash flow issue. They may be able to "add back" the depreciation when calculating your debt-to-income ratio.

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Lydia Bailey

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Thanks for the detailed response. I'm still a bit confused though - if I'm a licensed real estate professional, doesn't that change how I can treat rental losses? I thought there was some benefit to being a real estate professional with rentals versus just a regular person with rental properties. Would I lose that benefit by switching to Schedule E?

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Great question! Being a real estate professional can be very beneficial for tax purposes, but it doesn't change which form you use - it changes how the losses are treated. If you qualify as a real estate professional (which requires spending 750+ hours and more than half your working time in real estate activities), then rental losses on Schedule E become "active" losses rather than "passive" losses. This means you can deduct those losses against your other income types (like W2 wages) without limitation. Regular investors are limited by passive activity loss rules. You don't lose this benefit by properly reporting on Schedule E - in fact, that's exactly where you should be reporting to claim this benefit. On Schedule E, you'll indicate your real estate professional status which tells the IRS these losses can offset your other income. This is a much cleaner approach for both tax purposes and for lenders reviewing your returns.

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Mateo Warren

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Alice Coleman

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Owen Jenkins

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Lilah Brooks

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Sorry but this sounds like BS. I've tried everything to get through to the IRS and nothing works. I doubt some random service can magically make IRS agents appear when their own phone system is completely broken.

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Owen Jenkins

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I need to eat my words and apologize to the person who recommended Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway since I was desperate to talk to someone at the IRS about my real estate professional status documentation. Holy crap, it actually worked. After trying for THREE WEEKS to get through on my own, I got a call back within an hour connecting me to an actual IRS agent. The agent confirmed that I should absolutely be using Schedule E for my rental properties (not Schedule C), and explained exactly how to document my hours to qualify as a real estate professional. She also explained that lenders often misunderstand Schedule C losses vs. Schedule E losses, and suggested I include a letter from my CPA explaining the paper loss nature of depreciation when applying for loans. This advice alone was worth it. I'm shocked that something actually worked as promised when dealing with the IRS!

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Kolton Murphy

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Just to add something that hasn't been mentioned yet - be careful about the crypto mining and staking activities. Those have their own specific reporting requirements that are separate from your real estate activities. Mining income is generally reported on Schedule C as self-employment income (subject to self-employment tax), while staking rewards are usually reported as "other income" on Schedule 1. The IRS guidance on crypto is still evolving, but mixing these activities with your real estate business could potentially complicate your real estate professional status qualification. Consider keeping very clear and separate records for the time spent on crypto activities versus real estate activities to protect your real estate professional status.

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Eli Butler

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Thanks for bringing this up! Do you have any recommendations for tracking software or apps that help separate these different income streams for tax purposes? I'm realizing I need to be much more organized with how I document everything.

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Kolton Murphy

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For tracking different business activities and income streams, I've found that QuickBooks Self-Employed works well for separating multiple businesses and categorizing expenses properly. It lets you tag transactions for different business activities and will automatically sort them when tax time comes. For tracking your hours to qualify as a real estate professional, I recommend the app Timeero or even a simple spreadsheet where you log daily activities with dates, times, and descriptions. The key is consistency - log your activities daily rather than trying to reconstruct everything at tax time. The IRS tends to be skeptical of reconstructed time logs created after the fact, so contemporaneous records are much more valuable if you're ever questioned about your real estate professional status.

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Evelyn Rivera

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Has anyone compared how much of a difference it makes financially to file rentals on Schedule E vs Schedule C when you qualify as a real estate professional? My CPA has been putting our rentals on C for years but after reading this I'm wondering if we should switch.

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Julia Hall

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I switched from C to E last year (while maintaining real estate professional status) and the tax result was identical - I could still deduct all my losses against other income. The HUGE difference was with lenders. Our debt-to-income ratio improved dramatically in their eyes and we were able to secure financing for two additional properties this year that we previously couldn't qualify for.

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StarStrider

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This is such a common issue with real estate professionals who also have rental properties! I went through exactly the same thing a few years ago. The key insight that changed everything for me was understanding that being a real estate professional is about HOW your losses are treated, not WHERE they're reported. Your rental properties should definitely be on Schedule E - that's where rental income and expenses belong according to IRS guidelines. The real estate professional election just means those Schedule E losses become "active" rather than "passive," so you can deduct them against your W2 income without the usual passive activity loss limitations. Your realtor commissions, photography business, and crypto mining should each be on separate Schedule C forms since they're active business activities. This separation will help tremendously with lenders because they understand Schedule E depreciation as a non-cash expense, while Schedule C losses can look like actual business operating losses. One tip that really helped me with lenders: ask your CPA to prepare a "lender addendum" that explains the depreciation component of your Schedule E losses and shows your actual cash flow from the rentals. Most loan officers aren't tax experts and don't realize that rental depreciation is just a paper loss. Having this explanation attached to your tax returns can make a huge difference in getting approved. The 750+ hour requirement for real estate professional status applies to ALL your real estate activities combined (rental management, realtor work, etc.), so make sure you're tracking everything properly. Good luck with the refinancing!

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